Death of the Jumpdog

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Re: Death of the Jumpdog

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i`m disabled and cant walk up rabbits for my dogs. ijust drop the tailgate the rest is up to them. i`ve got 5 dogs at this time only one that i know ican consistantly count on finding rabbits if they are there he is 4 yrs.old until recently when you heard him the bunny was up,here lately he has been opening a few times before the jump.not always just sometime.by the way i raised him if my truck moves he`s in it.front seat .sleeps on bed.money cant buy.treedog

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Re: Death of the Jumpdog

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from what im reading in a lot of these posts what is being described as a jump dog is a dog that is truely RABBIT WISE. you can dump some dogs out & observe them looking over the area & imediatley head for an area that looks like it will most likely hold a rabbit. i have a bitch i have watched do this several times. this type of hound also knows where a track is going. all boils down to brains.
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Re: Death of the Jumpdog

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I am 75 years old and a 3rd generation hounds man. When you talk jump dogs . I start remembering all the dogs I have hunted with in my life time. There is one that jumps into my mind instantly after that comes a group that were good at finding rabbits. But they each had their own style some covered a lot of ground some were very thourgh in their hunting but they found rabbits. But The hound that instantly pops up in my mind was a grade dog called sam. This dog when hunted in a pack of 6 or 8 dogs was the one that jumped 90% of the rabbits killed. Did not cold trail ,was a check dog, If sam opened you got ready to harvest a rabbit. The other dogs opened you waited untel you were sure they had a running track. Now sam lived back a few years when we hunted for the meat. I had a older fellow tell me that if he had owned a dog like sam when he was growing up he would have been a fat man. This to me was a true compliment. At presant I have 8 dogs they will find a rabbit when turned loose but sam`s they or not. good post.

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great stories...love hearing about those jumpdogs...they don't get enough credit..keep them coming :dance:
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Re: Death of the Jumpdog

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bmc96 wrote:It seems like a lot of people want beagles that just fly with a rabbit. I never did like them to run them that fast. I like them about a medium to medium/fast myself. Why do people want them to run extremely fast? Is it for competition purposes? I prefer one to hunt hard, jump rabbits and circle them at a speed you can shoot the rabbit or at least see it instead of a blur.BMC96
When there is a trial that awards Trophies for dogs that can jump and circle a rabbit in the shortest time, then you will see the return of good jumpdogs. Hard hunting doesn't mean crap.

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Newt wrote:
bmc96 wrote:It seems like a lot of people want beagles that just fly with a rabbit. I never did like them to run them that fast. I like them about a medium to medium/fast myself. Why do people want them to run extremely fast? Is it for competition purposes? I prefer one to hunt hard, jump rabbits and circle them at a speed you can shoot the rabbit or at least see it instead of a blur.BMC96
When there is a trial that awards Trophies for dogs that can jump and circle a rabbit in the shortest time, then you will see the return of good jumpdogs. Hard hunting doesn't mean crap.
Hard hunt may not mean crap to you but can not build a jumpdog without it.Iguess i am just the opposite, got too have one hunt,does me good to see a big male corkscrew in a brushpile even if he dont jump a bunny at least i know he tried. Thats all.
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WELLS WOODS wrote:Best jump dog I've had was FC Wells' Silver Spring; she would often get left behind while working the hounds at the trials because she would hunt more thorough and stay in the thickets and hunt while the gallery went on ahead; sometimes I would have to go get her, but many times she would jump a rabbit in places all the dogs, horses and gallery had already covered. She died when she was 8, but I still have her blood in my kennel; all my hounds go back to her and they are making good jump dogs also, although they have a lot to learn yet. Spring was hare bred, go figure; grandpup to IFC Trakarab Pacesetter and IFC Branko's Heli-Prop.
Greg you are also right i got a bitch bred similar, finished in 3 trials still lacks points but comes behind everyone else,horses,gallery handlers and judges.And jumps rabbits did it at central and it kinda embarressed me.But after thinking about it.Thats just how she hunts slow and easy.
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The first midwest field trial I took Belle to serveral months ago, there were 3 dogs and 2 judges walk through a field about 15 yards apart. My bitch was hunting directly behing them. She jumped a rabbit where they had all just walked through. She doesn't cover a lot of ground quickly like many of the dogs I see in trials and even own but she is efficient and rabbit smart. She made the winners pack that day and I was proud of her taking a 6th palce in her first trial. She is my jump dog.

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i got a 15 in bluetick male thats making a good jump dog he just a lil over 2 y/o but he is jumping alot of rabbitts when i take my other dogs if they jump 10 rabbits my big male will jump at least 8 of the 10 n get most of the checks just needs lots of tracks under his nose cant make one on the chain or in the kennell ya gotta run them jb
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My buddy Pete Tuck owns a jump dog named Ace. He would not just go in any log pile or thicket. He just had a nack for going in the one that had a cottontail in it. I used to borrow him and he would make the rabbit population double where I used to run. He just stayed on the move all the time and as Pete said you rarely ever got to see him jump, but all of a sudden aroo, aroo,aroo he got one up. I remember hunting one day on an old farm and he jumped one that had climbed up a honeysuckle covered fence post. Jumped him standing on his hind legs. He is still living, but has retired to a family members farm and sleeps in the house. I still hear stories about him going out and running till morning at 12 or 13 years old.
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thanks brad, like everyone else says, great post. i cant stand to see a me too'er. i hunt with guys that have dogs that will stand in the road and wait for a RABBIT DOG to jump a rabbitt and then the dog will go in and run your socks off. people have forgot, we are enjoying a sport called rabbit HUNTING. i own five dogs right now and as far as a jump dog. i have one. anybody that has ever hunted with my lucy dog knows what she is. when she dies, well its over :cry: just wanted to put my thoughts in. now everbody, lets go hunting.... call any time, will hunt with anyone..
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Pike Ridge brings something else into the mix. Rabbit smarts. A good jump dog seems to know where to go and just as importantly, where not to waste his or her time. It really does seem that a lot of grade hounds have rabbit smarts where some registered hounds that have big noses, stamina, hunt, and foot, just don't. I'm inclined to agree with Brad that jump dogs are as scarce as hen's teeth and a lot of the reason is that hounds aren't bred very much for rabbit smarts.
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Re: Death of the Jumpdog

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Hey Junebug..your right about Lucy..we went last Saturday morning..I think the dogs we had were Lucy, Fred, Ann, Banshee, Chic and Bacon..I think we had 6 runs..nice races it was almost a shame to shoot the rabbits that morning each one ran over 30 minutes of pounding each..sounded like those dogs were drinking those rabbits..its thsoe days that makes it worth it..Lucy jumped 4 I think..next time you are down this way I got a run open ready for her just drop her off :lol: She did some really nice work. :cool:
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Re: Death of the Jumpdog

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Pike Ridge Beagles wrote:The first midwest field trial I took Belle to serveral months ago, there were 3 dogs and 2 judges walk through a field about 15 yards apart. My bitch was hunting directly behing them. She jumped a rabbit where they had all just walked through. She doesn't cover a lot of ground quickly like many of the dogs I see in trials and even own but she is efficient and rabbit smart. She made the winners pack that day and I was proud of her taking a 6th palce in her first trial. She is my jump dog.
Most jump dogs I've seen won't cover alot of ground but are very thorough (spelling?) and
good brush dogs . Sad thing is that very seldom does a good jump dog get any credit in the
trials . Any dog that spends 5 minutes standing in the road waiting for a rabbit to be jumped
should be DQ'd .

And I do agree this is an excellent post !!! We should read it before we ever think about breeding .



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Re: Death of the Jumpdog

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JUDE wrote: Any dog that spends 5 minutes standing in the road waiting for a rabbit to be jumped
should be DQ'd .
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I agree, it always ticks me off to see a dog that spent 50% of the time at a trial hanging around the gallery waiting for a jump or a check to be figured out, it ticks me off worse when you see that dog place :mad2: If the DQ'd lazy dogs I think it would really help the reputation of field trials in general.

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