mr wilson dog

[carn]

by the rules the dog is under 15" nuff said you can take a 13" hound and stack it up and make it over . teaching one to measure in is no different than breaking one off deer. now just think about it from the n.k.c or a.k.c view point if the hound is measured out they will not make any money from it now do you think they want it measured in or out

[MGB]

Now you're talking Carn. Cut thru all the B.S. and tell it like it is. Cash is King.

[kentucky mobster 08]

by the rules the dog is under 15" nuff said you can take a 13" hound and stack it up and make it over . teaching one to measure in is no different than breaking one off deer. now just think about it from the n.k.c or a.k.c view point if the hound is measured out they will not make any money from it now do you think they want it measured in or out

there is a different.teaching a dog not to stand is nothing like breaking a dog off deer.i heard of some ways some guys was telling me how they teach dogs not to stand.they take the stand and beat the dog or put a shock collar on the stand and ever time it touch the dog back they shock the crap out of the dog.how is this making the dog a better dog.breaking a dog off deer got a purpose.if a dog runs a deer there is a good chance you wont see the dog again.when the dog get lost lot of the time they get kill on the road etc.
by nkc rules when a dog wont stand that breaking the rules.there a key word in the rules(SHALL).it dont say the hound should.it said the hound shall.that mean the hound will be or the hound must be standing.
i think nkc should change the rule,like akc or ukc.measure the dog ever hunt


When being measured, a hound shall be standing in a natural, alert position with
its head up but not stretched upward and with its feet well under the hound and
forelegs vertical

[wildcatfan0309]

by the rules the dog is under 15" nuff said you can take a 13" hound and stack it up and make it over . teaching one to measure in is no different than breaking one off deer. now just think about it from the n.k.c or a.k.c view point if the hound is measured out they will not make any money from it now do you think they want it measured in or out

there is a different.teaching a dog not to stand is nothing like breaking a dog off deer.i heard of some ways some guys was telling me how they teach dogs not to stand.they take the stand and beat the dog or put a shock collar on the stand and ever time it touch the dog back they shock the crap out of the dog.how is this making the dog a better dog.breaking a dog off deer got a purpose.if a dog runs a deer there is a good chance you wont see the dog again.when the dog get lost lot of the time they get kill on the road etc.
by nkc rules when a dog wont stand that breaking the rules.there a key word in the rules(SHALL).it dont say the hound should.it said the hound shall.that mean the hound will be or the hound must be standing.
i think nkc should change the rule,like akc or ukc.measure the dog ever hunt


When being measured, a hound shall be standing in a natural, alert position with
its head up but not stretched upward and with its feet well under the hound and
forelegs vertical

teaching a dog not to stand is no houndsman at all and i agree its nothing like breaking off deer
not taking away from the dog cause ime sure hes a great dog
but if i was measuring him he would stand or he would go to house

[Mark H]

Running a seventeen inch hound in a format that calls for a size limit of fifteen and under is not cheating they call it bending the rules a little just like if a judge gives his buddy a couple of extra checks to let him win its not cheating its bending the rules a little.So the next time your at a trail and your dog puts on a show and destroys the reast of the cast but the judge lets his buddy win dont get mad the judge just did the rules his way to accomadate his buddys dog Come on guys we have had this dicussion so many times rules are just that RULES we all have to go by them.. I have seen wilson run and there is no doubt he is one tuff sob but i have also seen him staked out and he is way over 15inches me and jarod lined him up with osbournes spade who everybody knows is pushing the bar and wilson was a good 2-3 inches taller..

[mtnwaykennel]

A good 2-3 inches taller.... and bravehart was 8ft tall.... guys I have seen this dog and I think yall are getting a little silly with all of this.....


bill Woods

[carn]

boys don't show me the rule on measuring i wrote it back when it was placed in the book again by the rules this hound is under 15" your not going to measure him out and the recond shows he'll bust your but at the trials so stop cring about it and open your eyes and if jared will let you breed your best bitch to him and maybe you'll get you a gooden

[wildcatfan0309]

boys don't show me the rule on measuring i wrote it back when it was placed in the book again by the rules this hound is under 15" your not going to measure him out and the recond shows he'll bust your but at the trials so stop cring about it and open your eyes and if jared will let you breed your best bitch to him and maybe you'll get you a gooden

looks like the rule book needs a new author , the rules dont need to be wrote by a person who willing to bend them
jmho

[kentucky mobster 08]

i dont have a problem with mr wilson.i've seen him run and he is a nice hound.he could win if he was 13in dog.if they can get him in a hunt without any problem or getting measuring out,good for them.
i got a problem with people who think its alright to teach a dog not to stand.carn do you think its alright to beat or shock a dog so he wont stand.you said it was the same as breaking a dog off deer.
how many rules did you write for lp.did you write the rule so a judge can claim it was judgment call.so he can cheat for his buddy

[tinymwoods]

Saying you wouldn't protest the size of a hound is a lot different from buddy judging. I have ran against big hounds and could care less. If that is the best hound that day, be it 16" or 12", then it should win. Most of us are trying to breed a dog that will rub the stick. Feed is better and unless you feed some walmart crap you are going to sometimes have a dog go over. I hunt a hound that pushes the bar, but I will guarntee it is no advantage. He is not fast and his size is a disadvantage in the thick brush. A 13 1/2" to 14" dog is better suited for the brush running here. 15" + is a disadvantage. I wonder how many people complaning have either had their plow cleaned by Mr. Wilson or just don't like Jared (seems like I seen a few posts about him here before . I'd let him run (would not protest), but as a breed inspector I would measure him truthfully if asked. The hound has to stand in it's normal pose, not cower down and not be posed. I dunno if he would go over, but I think he may be challenged at big hunts from now on by people that don't have a dog that could beat him.
JMO

[Josh Riser]

From what I have seen of dogs being measured it is not a very precise process and it looked like alot of the dogs didn't stand very good if they were short or tall. I would agree that nobody would be getting the same results either so a dog at 15inchs maybe measured over by one person and not by someone else that is my opinion.

[carn]

the rule was wrote to get hounds in not out if there measured out the nkc or the clubs will not collect any fee's plus you can take 10 people and measure a hound and get 10 different measurements if the master of hounds did not like you he could by the old rules take a 13" hound and stack it up on its toes and make it over you don't have to shock or beat a hound so it will measure in this hound you boys are crying about is not that big he has won or placed in both nkc and akc and measures in i think it's more that you guys don't like it's owner than how big the hound is i have gunhunted with this hound solo and he is the real deal i've seen many more hounds that were much larger than this one you guys should go up north to a large pack trial and ever thing will be measured before it numbered and mr.wilson will be one of the smallest

[RABBITBUTCHER]

THIS MUST BE A HELL OF A RABBIT DOG FOR ALL OF YALL TO BE TALKING ABOUT HIM.
WERE CAN I SEE THIS DOG RUN AND HOW MUCH DOES HE CHARGE TO TAKE YOU HUNTING WITH HIM?

[sanfordssj]

THIS MUST BE A HELL OF A RABBIT DOG FOR ALL OF YALL TO BE TALKING ABOUT HIM.
WERE CAN I SEE THIS DOG RUN AND HOW MUCH DOES HE CHARGE TO TAKE YOU HUNTING WITH HIM?

thats what i'm taliking about!

[RABBITBUTCHER]

AMEN