Adolf Obama

[tommyg]

Expanded Americorps has an authoritarian feel
By Examiner Editorial
- 3/26/09

With almost no public attention, both chambers of Congress in the past week advanced an alarming expansion of the Americorps national service plan, with the number of federally funded community service job increasing from 75,000 to 250,000 at a cost of $5.7 billion. Lurking behind the feel-good rhetoric spouted by the measure’s advocates is a bill that on closer inspection reveals multiple provisions that together create a strong odor of creepy authoritarianism. The House passed the measure overwhelmingly, while only 14 senators had the sense and courage to vote against it on a key procedural motion. Every legislator who either voted for this bill or didn’t vote at all has some serious explaining to do.

Last summer, then-candidate Barack Obama threw civil liberties to the wind when he proposed “a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded” as the regular military. The expanded Americorps is not quite so disturbing, but a number of provisions in the bill raise serious concerns.

To begin with, the legislation threatens the voluntary nature of Americorps by calling for consideration of “a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people.” It anticipates the possibility of requiring “all individuals in the United States” to perform such service – including elementary school students. The bill also summons up unsettling memories of World War II-era paramilitary groups by saying the new program should “combine the best practices of civilian service with the best aspects of military service,” while establishing “campuses” that serve as “operational headquarters,” complete with “superintendents” and “uniforms” for all participants. It allows for the elimination of all age restrictions in order to involve Americans at all stages of life. And it calls for creation of “a permanent cadre” in a “National Community Civilian Corps.”

But that’s not all. The bill also calls for “youth engagement zones” in which “service learning” is “a mandatory part of the curriculum in all of the secondary schools served by the local educational agency.” This updated form of voluntary community service is also to be “integrated into the science, technology, engineering and mathematics curricula” at all levels of schooling. Sounds like a government curriculum for government approved “service learning,” which is nothing less than indoctrination. Now, ask yourself if congressmen who voted for this monstrosity had a clue what they were voting for. If not, they’re guilty of dereliction of duty. If yes, the implications are truly frightening.

UPDATE:

Between being first officially "reported" to the House and being voted on by the full House, bill managers stripped one whole section of the measure that created a Congressional Commission on Civil Service, thus removing the section that contained the language cited above concerning "a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people" and a possible requirement for "all individuals in the United States" to perform such service. The section could be restored during the Senate-House conference committee meeting. A new, separate bill containing that language has since been introduced in the House.


This is what Obama has in store for us and our children.

[bluegrass]

You know, I have heard, seen written and listened to a LOT of people (some on this board) say they will give up their guns "when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers", blah, blah, blah....I dont belive it for a second from MOST of them, it seems like empty rhetoric at best...HOWEVER...IF the government goes this way of communist camp for kids, in my house at the very least there will be armed, violent resistance. I will NOT allow the government or anyone else to force me to give up my children for Obama's ( and Rahm Emmanuel's) utopian dream of a "civillian national security force". I dont know what I would do if the government came around telling me I have to give up my guns, and taking them by gunpoint or the threat of prolonged jail time MIGHT be the only way they get them. BUT, even if I gave up the guns they know about, I absolutely WILL NOT allow my children to be taken without sacrificing my life as well as those that attempt to do this.


People you better wake up and see what is happening...you liberals want to label us as conspiracy nuts but it is YOU who have your heads in the sand. Thanks to the likes of beaglechase, Rufus and so called "dr chris" we have to actually face the probability that the government will FORCE people into mandatory "public service". If they can subvert your children, they can irreversibly alter this country inside of ONE GENERATION.



Not at my house...not my children...not while I breathe.




Tony

[tommyg]

This is where I draw the line Tony. They won't get my boy without a fight. He says hes saved and understands that Obama is evil,he is a sweet child not a mean bone in him. I hate to see this it is a nightmare. We are looking at Hitler youth training,the Teachers Unions will push for it also they are as evil as Obama. Its comeing to a head the American people have to choose,Scoialism or Marxism or Freedom. God save America from the Democrat,socialists and marxists. Of corse this is what we get for trying to live free and not speaking out,our Churches are Liberal,the saved folk don't speak out,the Conservative don't speak out. I belive that we should contend for the faith and trust Jesus,but we can't set and not do anything we need to fight this evil with all we have.
Our children depend on us and they need us now more than ever they don't understand whats going on but we do and its getting worse with this tyrant in office.

[2500 HD]

I will not surrender my guns!!!!!!!! I will not allow any officials in my home to inspect my ammunition or firearms!!!!! I will not allow my government to tread on me, when my tax money supports them!!!!!!!!!! I will die before I give in, and I truely mean that!!!!!!!!!!! LIBERALS you may think your living in a dream world, but reality is upon us all and you (beaglechase, Rufus, etc. ) are guilty when my blood hits the ground. You Preach & Preach about lives lost in previous wars, That will be nothing when the next civil war is brought on by your liberal government's actions.

[Pine Mt Beagles]

I THINK IT IS MUCH BETTER TO RAISE YOUR CHILDREN ,GET THEM A GOOD EDUCATION ,VOTE IN A N IDIOT LIKE WE HAD AND SEND THEM OFF TO WAR FOR CANNON FODDER TO PROTECT THE BUSH'S OIL.AND DON'T FORGET CHANEY,THE BUNKER BOY.AND NO IRAQ DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH 9-11 ,2500HD YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT WANTS TO INSPECT YOUR GUN'S THEY WILL DO IT ANY TIME,REMEMBER THE PATRIOT ACT.I KNOW WHAT IT SAY'S, BUT I ALSO KNOW WHAT IT MEANS,THEY HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM FOR YOU AT THE BIG HOUSE.-----beaglechase, Rufus, etc. ) are guilty when my blood hits the ground---JUST HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT IDIOTIC THEORY.I DIDN'T VOTE FOR KING GEORGE I DON'T THINK I WOULD BE SO QUICK TO MENTION HAVING BLOOD ON MY HANDS,......I WISH ONE OF YOU WOULD TELL ME WHERE YOU GOT THOSE CRYSTAL BALL'S.OF COURSE THIS IS
JUST MY OPINION

[tommyg]

I THINK IT IS MUCH BETTER TO RAISE YOUR CHILDREN ,GET THEM A GOOD EDUCATION ,VOTE IN A N IDIOT LIKE WE HAD AND SEND THEM OFF TO WAR FOR CANNON FODDER TO PROTECT THE BUSH'S OIL.AND DON'T FORGET CHANEY,THE BUNKER BOY.AND NO IRAQ DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH 9-11 ,2500HD YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT WANTS TO INSPECT YOUR GUN'S THEY WILL DO IT ANY TIME,REMEMBER THE PATRIOT ACT.I KNOW WHAT IT SAY'S, BUT I ALSO KNOW WHAT IT MEANS,THEY HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM FOR YOU AT THE BIG HOUSE.-----beaglechase, Rufus, etc. ) are guilty when my blood hits the ground---JUST HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT IDIOTIC THEORY.I DIDN'T VOTE FOR KING GEORGE I DON'T THINK I WOULD BE SO QUICK TO MENTION HAVING BLOOD ON MY HANDS,......I WISH ONE OF YOU WOULD TELL ME WHERE YOU GOT THOSE CRYSTAL BALL'S.OF COURSE THIS IS
JUST MY OPINION

GOOD LIBERAL GOOD LIBERAL.OBAMA WILL PAT YOU ON THE HEAD IF YOU GO TO WASHINGTON.

[DoubleEagle]

In 1990 President H.W. Bush signed the first National Service Act.

In 1992, "a bipartisan group of Senators worked hand-in-hand with the first Bush Administration to resurrect the CCC in a new form for a new era, creating what is now know as AmeriCorps NCCC.

In 1993 the newly created AmeriCorps incorporated two existing national service programs: the longstanding VISTA (Volunteers in Service to America) program, created by President Lyndon Johnson in 1964 and the National Civilian Community Corps (NCCC) created by President H.W. Bush.

On July 3, 2003, President G.W. Bush signed the Strengthen AmeriCorps Program Act, which nearly doubled the number of AmeriCorps members.

AmeriCorps members:
Tutor and mentor disadvantaged youth
Fight illiteracy
Improve health services
Build affordable housing
Teach computer skills
Clean parks and streams
Manage or operate after-school programs
Help communities respond to disasters

AmeriCorps operates through State Service Commissions in each state. Both President's Bush signed legislation to strengthen this Organization that is now being smeared by this editorial. How all of this translates into taking our guns away is truly beyond me but it smells like hysteria. It's your choice if you want to continue listening to the Talking Heads. But what it comes down to is this... it's your attention to what the Talking Heads are spouting that pays their bills. And with the Stock Market up for the 3rd week in a row the Talking Heads needed something new to talk about.

[beaglechase]

I THINK IT IS MUCH BETTER TO RAISE YOUR CHILDREN ,GET THEM A GOOD EDUCATION ,VOTE IN A N IDIOT LIKE WE HAD AND SEND THEM OFF TO WAR FOR CANNON FODDER TO PROTECT THE BUSH'S OIL.AND DON'T FORGET CHANEY,THE BUNKER BOY.AND NO IRAQ DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH 9-11 ,2500HD YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT WANTS TO INSPECT YOUR GUN'S THEY WILL DO IT ANY TIME,REMEMBER THE PATRIOT ACT.I KNOW WHAT IT SAY'S, BUT I ALSO KNOW WHAT IT MEANS,THEY HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM FOR YOU AT THE BIG HOUSE.-----beaglechase, Rufus, etc. ) are guilty when my blood hits the ground---JUST HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT IDIOTIC THEORY.I DIDN'T VOTE FOR KING GEORGE I DON'T THINK I WOULD BE SO QUICK TO MENTION HAVING BLOOD ON MY HANDS,......I WISH ONE OF YOU WOULD TELL ME WHERE YOU GOT THOSE CRYSTAL BALL'S.OF COURSE THIS IS
JUST MY OPINION

GOOD LIBERAL GOOD LIBERAL.OBAMA WILL PAT YOU ON THE HEAD IF YOU GO TO WASHINGTON.

tommyg, I sense fear in the conservative, ranks, everything the government is doing now is aganist your grain, so to speak, listening to your savior, Rush Limbaugh, has you far out in left field,,you guys blow a lot of thick black choking smoke that doesn't do anyone any good....Sarah Palin for 2012, only means defeat again, even if she gets smarter than a fifth grader! Also pine mt. I don't expect you to agree with me, all the time, and you think I am a little defisive, what do you think about Tony and Tommyg both are ones who love to stir

[Pine Mt Beagles]

TOMMYG WROTE
GOOD LIBERAL GOOD LIBERAL.OBAMA WILL PAT YOU ON THE HEAD IF YOU GO TO WASHINGTON.
I'AM NOT A LIBERAL I'AM AN INDEPENDENTI 'AM MUCH MORE CONSERVATIVE THAN YOU AND YOU KNOW IT THAT IS WHAT HURT'S SO BAD ,YOU VOTED FOR THE LIBERAL BABY KILLER GW.NOT ME .NOW YOU CAN LIVE WITH IT..
BUT YOU UNDERSTAND ---THIS IS JUST MY OPINION OF COURSE ,,,,,I'M SURE YOU HAVE A GOOD LIBERAL OPINION TO SHARE WITH US..... HEY THAT IS FUN,CHILDISH BUT FUN

P.S. BEAGLE CHASE I THINK THEY ARE NUT'S

[bluegrass]

Uh, Rufus, you are NOT conservative...not one little bit.





Tony

[bluegrass]

BC, maybe you should learn how to SPELL correctly BEFORE you start attacking ANYONE for "not being smarter than a fifth grader"...getting real tired of your bs pal..


Notice everyone though how the LIBERALS that have posted on this thread have NOT ADDRESSED THE ISSUE OF THE THREAD?? Instead they have merely tried to attack republicans...no one mentioned republicans in the title or body of the thread until THEM...they will continue to avoid this particular issue either due to ignorance or too drunk on the kool aid of Obama...I won't pity them one little bit when this all comes crashing down on THEIR heads as well as the rest of us.


Rufus, you SHOULD know better but for some unexplainable reason you are so far up Obambi's ass that you cannot take a breath without blaming republicans and Bush for everything...



Tony

[Pine Mt Beagles]

TONY MY BUD.
I 'AM MORE CONSERVATIVE THAN ABOUT ANY ONE ON THIS BOARD.AS OF YET , JUST BECAUSE I DON'T WANT AMERICA TO FALL ANY FARTHER ,AND TRY TO HELP MORE THAN COMPLAIN,SIMPLY MEANS I LOVE AMERICA.ALL YOU GUY'S ,TIM, 2500AD. ALL YOU DO IS COMPLAIN NO HELP, AT ALL JUST COMPLAIN,SPIT OUT A BUNCH OF USELESS NUMBERS.COULD MIGHT BE WANT IT TO BE.YOU GUY'S HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR MONTHS ,JUST MY OPINION AND TO BE CONTINUED

[bluegrass]

Rufus, here is the root of the problem...YOU think that Government is the answer and I think its the problem. I dont think our government should be spending OUR money like they are...I think WE, YOU AND I and everyone else should be spending OUR money...


I dont think its wrong to attack terrorists WHEREVER they are...I would applaud even Obama if he did this...just today he announced troop increases for Afghanistan...I agree with that. However time will tell if he is serious about killing terrorists. Rufus, you claim to be a conservative...yet you seem to disagree with conservatives every time we complain about spending and liberal, socialist policies...how can you still call yourself conservative yet agree with LIBERALS almost everytime an issue comes up???



Tony

[tommyg]

TONY MY BUD.
I 'AM MORE CONSERVATIVE THAN ABOUT ANY ONE ON THIS BOARD.AS OF YET , JUST BECAUSE I DON'T WANT AMERICA TO FALL ANY FARTHER ,AND TRY TO HELP MORE THAN COMPLAIN,SIMPLY MEANS I LOVE AMERICA.ALL YOU GUY'S ,TIM, 2500AD. ALL YOU DO IS COMPLAIN NO HELP, AT ALL JUST COMPLAIN,SPIT OUT A BUNCH OF USELESS NUMBERS.COULD MIGHT BE WANT IT TO BE.YOU GUY'S HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR MONTHS ,JUST MY OPINION AND TO BE CONTINUED

Conservative in voice Liberal in action Rufus. You can say you're conservative all you want but backing Obama to most Liberal Senator now President ever its just words. You say you love America yet you are willing to see her destroyed by this Marxist Socialist nut case Obama. Just words Rufus just words.

[MObeagler79]

Pine Mt. a conservative

Pine Mt. do you even know what being a conservative is? I think you have Liberalism and Conservatism confused. JMO.

How can you agree with the massive amounts of spending, growing the size of government, and support abortion among other things and call yourself a conservative? JMO. But then again this is all just my opinion.