dog with not enough mouth for other hounds to hark

[WELLS WOODS]

I've never seen this hound run nor am I concerned about this cast or trial. He may give plenty of mouth for all I know. I just don't see how anyone could have field trial rules that would allow any hound that did run silent to be given score. That's just common sense in my opinion. Evidentley others see this differently, but I guess that's what makes the world go around. I'm just bored and wanted to chat a little; not trying to start an AKC vs ARHA war. There are good dogs running and winning in both formats, so there can't be that much differrence in the judging despite some of the differences in scoring methods.

[jim matuszewski]

heres how it is trialing is not hunting and the first thing that these dogs were breed for is hunting ,so when hunting with a beagle makes it a little hard to set up on circle with such a tight mouthed dog.But on the other side of this is sounds like there are to many dogs metooing,dogtracking,and lack the skills to jump there own rabbits. lot of the trial dogs lack the jump and just depend on larking in and taking over from there. If you went in the woods with 3 dogs breed like that how many rabbits would you see to shoot?

[scott calkins]

yes that is what iam saying you could not possibly gun over this dog. and if anyone wants to see if that old dog that i was running there is a rabbit dog go to google search engine and type in cutthroat beagles .com and look at the pics especialy the one where it is snowing 14 inches of powder that day that old dog ran jumped and circled them hare . those were ohio boys i took on a guided hunt. see for yourself.

[scott calkins]

hey guys this is just a post we can all agree to just disagree . no ill will twards anyone dog or format. we all love beagling and as houndsmen need to back each other up against the people that would like to stop our sport we love so much .. had a good time at the world hunt great dogs people and format . this kind of discusion is what makes america great. this was a great educational discusion on both sides of the fence thanks for all your imput. again any one who wants to run , UR invited whole heartedly . thanks for judging our cast it had to be hard under the circumstances. this was not a post about the judgeing just the rules thanks guys appreciate all the hard work. seeyou next year.

[ricky murphy]

Well I never( o yes i have),Why would anybody want to feed a Hunting beagle that did Not produce loud overbearing ringing over the hill Hound music??????????????????????????????????? Is this hound with No mouth lemon and white and about 17 inches tall???

[sizematters]

I DONT WANT TO GET STARTED ON THIS, I WILL SET HIM DOWN WITH ANY OTHER DOG THAT YOU WANT TO BRING AND GUN HUNT. WITH OUT A DOUBT THERES BETTER JUMP DOGS, FASTER DOGS, BUT I WILL PROMISE YOU THAT IF YOUR DOG DON'T HAVE HIS GAME ON I WILL OUT JUMP YOU, AND OUT RUN YOU. HE IS THE BEST GUN DOG THAT I HAVE EVER HUNTED WITH IN MY LIFE......IF YOU DONT BELIEVE ME I WILL SHOW YOU..

[ricky murphy]

I DONT WANT TO GET STARTED ON THIS, I WILL SET HIM DOWN WITH ANY OTHER DOG THAT YOU WANT TO BRING AND GUN HUNT. WITH OUT A DOUBT THERES BETTER JUMP DOGS, FASTER DOGS, BUT I WILL PROMISE YOU THAT IF YOUR DOG DON'T HAVE HIS GAME ON I WILL OUT JUMP YOU, AND OUT RUN YOU. HE IS THE BEST GUN DOG THAT I HAVE EVER HUNTED WITH IN MY LIFE......IF YOU DONT BELIEVE ME I WILL SHOW YOU..

Its ok to hunt him just dont breed to him.It does not help the beagle breed at all to breed dogs, or lines of dogs with major faults(no mouth or taller than breed standards)............If you are really wanting to help the hunting beagle,Dont promote the one with serious faults!

[crittergitter]

this is getting good now , this dog started out with a light bark , now he dont bark at all ? it amazes me how 20 people can all read the same thing and all of them get something different from it ! and another thing , i was wondering ! if someone likes to run rabbit dogs , wether it be trials or hunting , and they have dogs thier happy with , why is it automaticly thier responcebility to better the breed , some of us aint trying to be god , just have some fun ! believe me if we havent ruined the breed yet , we aint going too

[MasonsBeagles]

[timf]

THIS DOG IS NOT YOUR STANDARD DOG, BUT HE IS A RABBIT DOG, HE IS UNUSUAL AND ONE OF A KIND. HE IS A ONCE IN A LIFE TIME HOUND. I HAVE RAN WITH THIS DOG ALOT. I HAVE NO PROBLEM HEARING HIS MOUTH, MY HOUNDS DONT HAVE A PROLBEM WITH IT EITHER, BUT I WILL SAY ITS NOT A GOOD MOUTH AND HE MIGHT SPACE BARK A LITTLE AND IF HE GETS OFF BY HIS SELF AND JUMPS A RABBIT SOME DOGS WONT PULL TO HIM. ITS PROBALLY BETTER THAT YOUR DOG DOESNT GO BECAUSE HE HAS GOT IT AND GONE. IT WOULD JUST SAVE YOU THE EMBARASSMENT . WITH THAT SAID HE IS NOT THE GREATEST JUMP DOG, THE FASTEST, OR HUNT THE HARDEST AND VERY CAPABLE OF BEING BEAT ANY DAY OF THE WEEK , BUT HE IS A TOUGH DOG. HE CAN JUMP YOU A RABBIT AND HE CAN AND WILL RUN HIS SHARE OF THE FRONT. YOUR DOG BETTER HAVE HIS GAME ON WHEN YOU CUT THEM LOOSE. HE IS ALSO ONE OF THE SMARTEST DOGS I HAVE SEEN RUN. HE IS FAST, EXPAMPLE - IF YOU TURN LOOSE ON A RABBIT AND ALL THE DOGS HARK IN AND RUN THE RABBIT YOUR DOG HAS THE SAME OPPURTURNITY TO RUN THE RABBIT AS HIM, SHOULDN'T YOUR DOG BE PICKING UP THE CHECKS?, THEY SHOULNDNT RELY ON HIM TO RUN THE RABBIT AND IF SO THATS CALLED GETTING BEAT . HE IS ALSO A REPRODUCER, HE HAS PRODUCED SOME OF THE EASEST STARTING PUPS I HAVE SEEN. THEY ALL HAVE GOOD MOUTH (BETTER THAN HIM), HE HAS SEVERAL GOOD RABBIT DOGS ON THE GROUND THAT CAN FLAT SMOKE A RABBIT. HE IS NOT GOING TO HURT THE BREED. I HAVE SEEN HUNDREDS OF DOGS THAT SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO REPRODUCE BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT RABBIT DOGS, BUT WE CANT STOP THAT . YOU CAN ONLY CONTROL YOUR KENNEL. IF YOU DONT LIKE THE DOGS OR PED THEN DONT BUY THEM . IT DOESNT MATTER IF ANYBODY LIKES THIS DOG OR NOT, BUT EVERYBODY GOT AN OPINION. I KNOW THE OWNER AND HE IS A AND I WOULD SAY THAT HE PROBALLY DOESNT GIVE A WHAT PEOPLE THINK BECAUSE HE JUST DONT LIKE WHISTLER HE LOVES HIM. LOL

[maplehill]

If the guy likes him, that's all that should matter. I be damned if somebody is gonna tell me what I should run and what I shouldnt.

[cutthroat beagler]

Here is a crazy hypothetical!!! Lets put a little wax in this dogs ears so that he's nearly deaf and cannot hear his competition well either. Then run him head to head (2 dog brace) with each of these Grand Champions, one dog at a time. (make a mini trial out of it)

I wonder who would pull more checks when he for a change of pace, must to deal with competition that slips or swings out on a check and scores 3-4 checks at a time uncontested. If the dog could still dominate each compeditor mano-a-mano, then I might actually be impressed.

Me thinks the only reason a dog would flat dominate a pack of grands is if it had an obvious advantage over the other dogs. I would expect some of the grand(s) would keep it close.

[Hatfield]

I read all of this BS and I can see into the future and Lp will be breeding for low mouths and dogs that slip the check.
Gun hunt and run the same tpye of dogs you gun over in a format your proud of. One you don't have to make excuses for. RUN A RABBIT DOG NOT A WELLBUT DOG!

[scott calkins]

i thought my last reply to this would end the post but i guess not so with that said . sizematters you are invited to bring that dog to the up and run him on hare with or without tracking collar and see if we can keep in the hares circle to see the rabbit. and there is no snow it is easer without snow. but you cant track him just listen to his mouth and pisition your self like you would gunning. do you believe we could do this with him just wondring . i know i can with every dog in my kennel .

[kybeagler]

Sounds to me like someone is a sore looser and a sorry handler. Whistler does bark and any handler worth 2 cents can get there dog on him. His bark is low but you can here it. If he got out on your dog get your dog in on him. Probally wouldnt matter any way though.