Who gets the credit for a great hound??????

[old blood beagles]

I just wanted to see how everyone looks at a great hound and to see who should get the credit for that hound.

[DRamey]

Um, the hound? My son is a better baseball player than I was at his age. Do I take the credit? I take him to the cages, but he swings the bat. We take our hounds to the field, but they beat the brush.

[old blood beagles]

So are you saying the trainer? Taking them to the field (batting cage) is part of a trainers responsibility. What kind of % would you put on that.

[hounddog]

I voted the trainer. Without a good trainer, nothing else matter. A well bred hound doesn't mean they automatically become a great hound although it sometimes helps. That will eliminate the breeder also as we all know that is shot in the dark. What else is left besides the owner and for all we know, someone else did all the hard work. JMHO

hounddog
Jim Umbarger

[dave g]

i would have to say the owner. my reasoning is the owner either kept the dog out of a litter they bred or picked out of a litter or bought the dog. they must have seen something special in the dog or just got lucky. but i think the owner is the one who made the original decision to train it them self or have someone to do it for them. just my opinion.

later, dave

[Joeyman]

I think all of it has to do with it. the Bloodline for sure. The Person who took the time to do their homework and made the cross. The owner of the dog for taking him out and spending countless hours in the field running him and most Important the dog itself for being a goodun.

[Ky. Hunter]

I voted the trainer. I know that a dog has to have it in them to start with (pedigree)and the breeder had to do his homework but without the proper training the dog will never develope to it's full potential,,JMO,,The trainer doesn't always have to be the owner.

[Joeyman]

what proper training are you talking about. All you have to do is show the dog the scent and he does the rest. turn them loose and thats all you have to do. You can't train the dog not to swing out in a check you can't teach a dog to work a closer check you cant teach a dog not to cold trail bark. ect ect ect. it all has to do with the breeding = bloodline

What proper training are you guys talking about? getting the dog to come in when you call his name? what training????

what I consider training in the field is to show the dog where to look for a rabbit show the dog over and over to work the thick stuff encourage the dog to go into briars. And I always and always anyone that has hunted with me will know this I want my dogs to work brush piles. their are alot of them in Mo and rabbits are in there so I teach my dogs to search brushpiles. I consider this training but it still comes down to the dog and the bloodline and the dog wanting to do all this. I don't know just some thoughts of mine on this subject. Well the more I think about it the more other things come into play with the training part.

Just friendly conversation here not trying to call you out. Just wondering........

[Ky. Hunter]

I am talking about hours of field work and correcting the dog when it is doing wrong and praising him when he is doing good. I know we all don't train the same way but in my opinion there is more to training a dog than just showing it where there is a rabbit track and just turning it loose to do his thing. If you just turn a dog loose and let it do what it wants to do and run like it wants to that is not training in my opinion but to each his own.

[Joeyman]

I've hunted with several different people before and most them just unsnap the lead. I watch these guys and say to myself you know i think they are onto something here. IMO a person should just unsnap the lead and the dog does its thing. Thats what I see happening at field trials. So..........

heck you can't even say a word at a trail LP trials not the tally ho with the stick trials. I'm talking Little Pack. U let the dog go and thats it.

not saying this is how I train my dogs but this is what I see. When I run dogs I'm there with them at all times. I teach them to hunt with me and come with I call other than that I do nothing. How do you correct a hound for over running a track or running wild on the line You can't their is no way. I'll believe it when I see it. that sort of stuff is programmed into their brains.

[kenjames]

I know you have to make the right cross,pick the right pup, get it on the ground and work with it ,but I agree with Joey it is in the blood, as other important things are.. I have seen owner/trainer that didn't have a clue and the dog turned out awesome;However, I have seen some high bred dogs that were not worth feeding. Maybe it just all luck and everybody has a different opinion about what a good dog is..

[BCBeagles]

I vote breeding due to the natural traits that come out. But, without exposure and guidance(aka training) all that is not worth a crap! I have seen great hounds despite
inadequate guidance. But, I have seen more great hounds handled and corrected of many things that make them even more great. Examples: an exceptional hunter and
track hound that won't come when you call. Lack of training,but, exceptional ability. Take a hound with better than average skill, but not legendary, train him on the essentials and
he is a really good hound? With out good genetics and good training (guidance, exposure and correction) you can not have a complete hound. JMO. Thanks

[sanfordssj]

You can breed bloodlines, you can be the breeder, but the bottom line is what you do with the dog. The trainer is everything. The dogs natrual ability takes over from there, but you have to give credit where credit is due!

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Without a planned well thought out cross, nothing else matters.There is a difference between a breeder and a oh man i think it will work breeder. Training is by far crucial, but the breeder built the road, the trainer /owner just walks it.


The Valley.

[bluemouse]

My input would be if you do the guidance, training etc with young dog everything else will fall in place if the dog has desire, brains, gears. when young teach them to come, hunt where you want to hunt. At two or three years old you should be able to drop the box and enjoy the hunt or trial which ever. Breeding should have some consideration but that came be hit or miss. Training weights big on enjoyment no trash running etc. don't know about ownership if someone justs says thats my dog without hands on involment.