Obama Health Care scam
Moderators: Pike Ridge Beagles, Aaron Bartlett
Obama Health Care scam
Contact your Representatives and let them know how you feel about this. We,
as a country, cannot afford another 1000 page bill to go through congress
without being read. Another 500 pages to go. I have highlighted a few of the
items that are downright unconstitutional.
. Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
. Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
. Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits
you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
. Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for
you. You will have no choice. None.
. Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free
healthcare services.
. Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
. Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all
individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
. Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community
organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
. Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to
participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
. Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare
Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
. Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services;
translation: illegal aliens
. Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up
individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
. Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you
have no choice in the matter.
. Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial
review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private
insurers will be crushed.
. Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
. Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run
public plan. No alternatives.
. Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND
their families.
. Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer
the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll
. Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not
offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
. Page 167: Any individual who doesn't' have acceptable healthcare
(according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
. Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes
(Americans will pay for them).
. Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will
have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
. Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as
tax." Yes, it really says that.
. Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and
the poor most affected."
. Page 241: Doctors: no matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid
the same (thanks, AMA!)
. Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional
judgment, etc.
. Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private
healthcare industries.
. Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven
wheelchairs.
. Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
. Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems
preventable re-admissions.
. Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that
results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
. Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in
healthcare companies!
. Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand
without government approval.
. Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words,
yet another payoff for ACORN.
. Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures:
i.e., rationing.
. Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans,
HMOs, etc.
. Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS
individuals.
. Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by
phone).
. Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior
Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
. Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills,
durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes
ahead of time.
. Page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources,
guiding you in death.
. Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment;
government dictates how your life ends.
. Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment
as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life
plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
. Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at
end-of-life.
. Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
. Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for
ACORN.
. Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government
intervenes in your marriage.
. Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating
and rationing those services.
as a country, cannot afford another 1000 page bill to go through congress
without being read. Another 500 pages to go. I have highlighted a few of the
items that are downright unconstitutional.
. Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
. Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
. Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits
you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
. Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for
you. You will have no choice. None.
. Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free
healthcare services.
. Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
. Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all
individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
. Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community
organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
. Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to
participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
. Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare
Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
. Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services;
translation: illegal aliens
. Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up
individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
. Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you
have no choice in the matter.
. Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial
review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private
insurers will be crushed.
. Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
. Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run
public plan. No alternatives.
. Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND
their families.
. Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer
the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll
. Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not
offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
. Page 167: Any individual who doesn't' have acceptable healthcare
(according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
. Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes
(Americans will pay for them).
. Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will
have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
. Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as
tax." Yes, it really says that.
. Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and
the poor most affected."
. Page 241: Doctors: no matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid
the same (thanks, AMA!)
. Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional
judgment, etc.
. Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private
healthcare industries.
. Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven
wheelchairs.
. Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
. Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems
preventable re-admissions.
. Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that
results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
. Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in
healthcare companies!
. Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand
without government approval.
. Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words,
yet another payoff for ACORN.
. Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures:
i.e., rationing.
. Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans,
HMOs, etc.
. Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS
individuals.
. Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by
phone).
. Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior
Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
. Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills,
durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes
ahead of time.
. Page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources,
guiding you in death.
. Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment;
government dictates how your life ends.
. Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment
as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life
plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
. Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at
end-of-life.
. Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
. Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for
ACORN.
. Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government
intervenes in your marriage.
. Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating
and rationing those services.
Re: Obama Health Care scam
i wonder if there is anything in there about mental illness there alot of people in the gov that could use that oh wait they wont be covered by it 

If Elmer fudd was my friend buggs would be dead
Re: Obama Health Care scam
I bet the Health bill would be written totally different if every government individual including President Obama where covered the same as everyone else.






Re: Obama Health Care scam
Will Senators and Representatives who are voted out of office be under the Obama Scare Health Insurance?
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this health care is coming to you and their is nothing you or I will do about it. the nra told the senate, hey we dont want that mexican american women judge "suprem court" all the americans "votes" that is a member of the nra,and that didnt sway the senate and their vote,with that said. the government I dont think, the elected officals really care about anything we the people haft to say.when the people are willing to give up there liberties for security they deserve neither.
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If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered
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I hear an echoPine Mt Beagles wrote:THE OWNERS OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, THE INSURANCE COMPANIES,, HAVE SENT THEIR THUGS OUT TO INTERRUPT, THE TOWN HALL MEETINGS AND,THREATEN ANY ONE WHO WANTS TO HAVE A SEARIOUS TALK ABOUT HEALTH CARE,THEY ARE SIMPLY AFRAID TO LET THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SEE THROUGH ALL THE REPUBLICAN LIES ,,AS USUAL,THEY JUST SHOUT LOUDER ,SAY NOTHING,ANYTHING TO STOP ANY PROGRESS FOR AMERICA THE PARTY OF NO TO AMERICA STRIKES AGAIN,,










Correction again DEMOCRATS WANT TO RUIN AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I see that YOU havent read the bill either, have you Rufus??? Well, you are in the same company as the members of Congress because most of them havent read it either....yet YOU are willing to accept it lock, stock and barrel. Well guess what?? NOT EVERYONE IS AS WEAK AS YOU are Rufus. Some of us are willing to stand up to this tyrannical idiot trying to take over such a large part of our economy. You can sit there and wait for whatever check or benefit you THINK you are going to get from Obambi, the rest of us will stand up for YOUR rights as well as ours. Obambi can kiss my azz and you can quote me on that. One term Jimmy Carter if I have my way about it....Pine Mt Beagles wrote:THE OWNERS OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, THE INSURANCE COMPANIES,, HAVE SENT THEIR THUGS OUT TO INTERRUPT, THE TOWN HALL MEETINGS AND,THREATEN ANY ONE WHO WANTS TO HAVE A SEARIOUS TALK ABOUT HEALTH CARE,THEY ARE SIMPLY AFRAID TO LET THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SEE THROUGH ALL THE REPUBLICAN LIES ,,AS USUAL,THEY JUST SHOUT LOUDER ,SAY NOTHING,ANYTHING TO STOP ANY PROGRESS FOR AMERICA THE PARTY OF NO TO AMERICA STRIKES AGAIN,,
Tony
The 1st amendment allows the usual liberal narcissistic "I think.." which is how they start all their sentences.
The second amendment protects us from implementing "I think"
The second amendment protects us from implementing "I think"
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Rufus kinda sounds like the Liberals sending out ACORN to do the same and just think they are getting paid by the taxpayers for doing it.Pine Mt Beagles wrote:THE OWNERS OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, THE INSURANCE COMPANIES,, HAVE SENT THEIR THUGS OUT TO INTERRUPT, THE TOWN HALL MEETINGS AND,THREATEN ANY ONE WHO WANTS TO HAVE A SEARIOUS TALK ABOUT HEALTH CARE,THEY ARE SIMPLY AFRAID TO LET THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SEE THROUGH ALL THE REPUBLICAN LIES ,,AS USUAL,THEY JUST SHOUT LOUDER ,SAY NOTHING,ANYTHING TO STOP ANY PROGRESS FOR AMERICA THE PARTY OF NO TO AMERICA STRIKES AGAIN,,

Funny how the Liberals cry foul when they did the same thing to Bush.HYPOCRITES
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote. "Benjamin Franklin" 1759
Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote. "Benjamin Franklin" 1759
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Rufus if you continue posting you are going to miss your ACORN meeting.
There were several members of the The New American Black Panther Party that were near the voting booths with billy clubs trying to intimidate voters. That is illegal. They were convicted and then the US Justice Department with drew the charge. Hmmm?
Rufus, I challenge you to get a list of Czars that President Obama has named, do a google search on each name and count the number of communists. Then think about how Communists, Castro, Pol Pot, Lenin, Stalin, and Mao Tse Tung have handled dissinters.
There were several members of the The New American Black Panther Party that were near the voting booths with billy clubs trying to intimidate voters. That is illegal. They were convicted and then the US Justice Department with drew the charge. Hmmm?
Rufus, I challenge you to get a list of Czars that President Obama has named, do a google search on each name and count the number of communists. Then think about how Communists, Castro, Pol Pot, Lenin, Stalin, and Mao Tse Tung have handled dissinters.
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Pine Mt Beagles wrote:THE OWNERS OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, THE INSURANCE COMPANIES,, HAVE SENT THEIR THUGS OUT TO INTERRUPT, THE TOWN HALL MEETINGS AND,THREATEN ANY ONE WHO WANTS TO HAVE A SEARIOUS TALK ABOUT HEALTH CARE,THEY ARE SIMPLY AFRAID TO LET THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SEE THROUGH ALL THE REPUBLICAN LIES ,,AS USUAL,THEY JUST SHOUT LOUDER ,SAY NOTHING,ANYTHING TO STOP ANY PROGRESS FOR AMERICA THE PARTY OF NO TO AMERICA STRIKES AGAIN,,
Funny, the only violence to date was when Obama sent his union and Acorn thugs (DEMOCRATS) to the meetings. You can only contradict the truth for so long before you lose ALL credibility.
"Watch your dog and SHUT-UP"
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Obama's Health Scare will do two things that they promised. SInce their beauracracy can eliminate Health Care to any one over sixty-five, the amount paid for health care will decrease. Therefore the population of the oldest citizens will drop quickly elimination the number of folks drawing social Security. Obama can kill two birds with one bill.
Rufus have you reached sixty-five yet?
My older sister, who just turned 70, was recently diagnosed with uterin cancer. Fortunately for her they diagnosed it early before it spread then quickly removed her uterus. If she had been living in Canada or Britain, there would have been several months delay between diagnosis and scheduled surgery, giving time for the cancer to spread.
If the democrats ahd been successful in pushing the health care plan through early, they could have dropped another off the ranks of Social Security and eliminated the need for a costly surgery.
I wonder how many foolish folks who voted for the community organizer, Rev Wright Jr,, would rather the Gov't give money to ACORN than to fund Social Securiy and Health Care. Remember, when you celebrate that 65th birthday the clock starts ticking a little faster.
Rufus have you reached sixty-five yet?
My older sister, who just turned 70, was recently diagnosed with uterin cancer. Fortunately for her they diagnosed it early before it spread then quickly removed her uterus. If she had been living in Canada or Britain, there would have been several months delay between diagnosis and scheduled surgery, giving time for the cancer to spread.
If the democrats ahd been successful in pushing the health care plan through early, they could have dropped another off the ranks of Social Security and eliminated the need for a costly surgery.
I wonder how many foolish folks who voted for the community organizer, Rev Wright Jr,, would rather the Gov't give money to ACORN than to fund Social Securiy and Health Care. Remember, when you celebrate that 65th birthday the clock starts ticking a little faster.
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Last edited by Pine Mt Beagles on Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:44 pm, edited 1 time in total.
If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered
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You.... as a mule and donkey cross should really stay out of the hen house...... might get caught in the fox trapPine Mt Beagles wrote: 2500 VD,,YOU ASK ABOUT MY BEING A MINOROTY ,I AM A MINORITY ON THIS BOARD ..... By choice or by race,,,,,, simple question asked on every form filled out in America whether buying a firearm or sighning up for un enjoyment or social security?????
,I BELIEVE IN THE CONSTITUTION UNCHANGED AND AND EVER PERSON'S RIGHT TO THE PERSUIT OF HAPPINESS AND PROSPEROUS LIFE,,,,,,,,,,,,Good about time, seemed you were on Obama's side to direguard our constitution with his and Pelosis's socialist agenda!!!!!!!!!!
YOU NEED TO BE CONCERNED AND SEE A SHRINK FOR YOUR FARM ANIMAL ATTRACTION,,IT'S JUST NOT NATURAL,,,,,,,I THINK YOU ARE A CHICKEN PLUCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!





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Dufus do you lay eggs like BARACK, BARACK, BAHK BAHK







