Run to Catch

[mobeagle]

From my experience the dogs who run head high and fast have exceptional noses. I've seen dogs that were built to run and could but didnt have enough nose to track fast. I've seen guys look at them and call them great track dogs and those same guys look at a dog flying around the brush and they think its a heady speedster who doesnt know how to use its nose right cause it isnt buried in the dirt. I've got a bitch who's nose rarely ever points to the ground and can run a track on the WORST of days and a bitch whos nose never leaves the ground and doesnt run a track as good on the worst of days. The first dog is also ALOT faster.

My opinion is A DOGS ONLY AS FAST AS ITS NOSE WILL ALLOW IT TO BE

And for all the doubters a healthy rabbit can be caught my 10 month old female caught her first a couple weeks ago and the way she runs she'll catch a few more and she runs them RIGHT> I've caught several and seen other peoples dogs catch em.

[ohlinger]

I've got a dog that can circle the rabbit, come over pick up the gun and shoot it itself. Does'nt matter if it's pitch black out side and it's blindfolded it's nose is soo great it never misses a shot or over runs the track. BEAT THAT ! Never wastes shotgun shells and he eats 2 oz of bird seed a day so he's cheap as dirt to own and he cleans his poop out of the kennel, if i bring him in the house he's potty trained. Only problem is he can't read the hunting rules and regulations book so he does'nt know when rabbit is in and out of season. Nothing a shocking collar could'nt fix though. He's out of the most awesome dog in the world, and he pisses gold nuggets. I don't field trial him b/c he's so great, he would never get the credit he deserves I guess he's a true Gun Dog since he does it all. Heck even sets box traps and catches them all night while he's in the kennel! Now he's the real deal fellas!

[mobeagle]

I've got a dog that can circle the rabbit, come over pick up the gun and shoot it itself. Does'nt matter if it's pitch black out side and it's blindfolded it's nose is soo great it never misses a shot or over runs the track. BEAT THAT ! Never wastes shotgun shells and he eats 2 oz of bird seed a day so he's cheap as dirt to own and he cleans his poop out of the kennel, if i bring him in the house he's potty trained. Only problem is he can't read the hunting rules and regulations book so he does'nt know when rabbit is in and out of season. Nothing a shocking collar could'nt fix though. He's out of the most awesome dog in the world, and he pisses gold nuggets. I don't field trial him b/c he's so great, he would never get the credit he deserves I guess he's a true Gun Dog since he does it all. Heck even sets box traps and catches them all night while he's in the kennel! Now he's the real deal fellas!

Whats really the point in all the sarcasm. I dont believe anyone heres really claimed to have the perfect dog. I certainly dont own a dog that doesnt have its set of flaws but I enjoy them. Thats really what its about isnt it? At the end of the day what I call an exceptional dog you may hate and vice versa. What I hope we can all agree on is that theres nothing funner than a well executed race by a dog with heart and desire. I hope my post individually sound like I was claiming to have some type of super hounds because they're anything but. But I love them and I feed them so the individual feeding thems opinion is really the only one that matters.

[ohlinger]

I hope my last post did'nt come off as sarcastic and directed towards you I would really like to be you're friend and enjoy our dogs and tell stories about the great things they do in the field. I was just simply sharing my story. I don't think that my dog is superior to yours just b/c mine can shoot the gun and you're can't or that it urinates golden nuggets and you're does'nt. I enjoy my dogs, you may not want to own a dog that is capable of shooting a gun, just b/c the inherit dangers of a dog possibly being able to fire a gun on it's own and not being able to control what the dog may do with that gun, but that is the way i enjoy my hounds i guess. Honestly i think the real power behind that dogs come from the hi protein low fat bird seed i feed it. Actualy the dog grows all the plants that make seeds in the feed itself so i don't really have to spend any money on bird seed either. I hope my post has'nt rubbed anyone the wrong way. Maybe I just let myself get influenced by others too much. If one can tell a story why can't we all ? I apologise for the sarcasm i guess the truth is just sooooo far fetched it comes off as sarcastic. Let me tell you what my dog does this without any faults, well only when i'm telling the stories of how great mine do, when i'm trying agree with people or make a level ground i will tell you about the faults in my dogs it just depends on the post i'm writing i guess...

[ohlinger]

Mo Beagler,

There is no point in all the sarcasm...just alot of times on these posts on these boards it seems to me like who can tell the tallest tale. Whoever thinks they have something that is worth braggin about should just go to a field trial and do something with the dog. I guess i'm too competitive to be reading this stuff...i always see it and think there is something to be gained and everytime i'm wrong.

[Alabama John]

Mo,
Don't get upset, Ohlinger is just having country store front porch fun and gigging us all! We do that to each other here almost everyday. If I ran with him I guarantee I could do the same to him. No one has dogs that can't be made fun of in some way.!!!

Around here there are all different lines of beagles and beagle trials. Slowest to fastest. Closest to loosest. Brace is still big here and lots of trials still conducted. Also breeders of fast fox-coyote beagles too. Some even have a fox in a small pen to start their pups with. What amazes me about the fox pens is in them are rabbits and occasionally a beagle will stop running fox and start running only a rabbit. That one is usually sold to someone for a rabbit dog. Makes a good one as its bred to run fast and if been running fox or coyotes its in running fast shape. How does a rabbit survive in a Fox-Coyote pen?

In the wild the dogs stay on the fox. In the pens the fox usually goes and hides in a brush pile and most of the running is after a coyote.

I've seen a beagle fast enough to run beside a Coyote barking in its face wanting it to run faster. That's pretty fast. Coyotes that turn to fight are culled.

[mobeagle]

I hope my last post did'nt come off as sarcastic and directed towards you I would really like to be you're friend and enjoy our dogs and tell stories about the great things they do in the field. I was just simply sharing my story. I don't think that my dog is superior to yours just b/c mine can shoot the gun and you're can't or that it urinates golden nuggets and you're does'nt. I enjoy my dogs, you may not want to own a dog that is capable of shooting a gun, just b/c the inherit dangers of a dog possibly being able to fire a gun on it's own and not being able to control what the dog may do with that gun, but that is the way i enjoy my hounds i guess. Honestly i think the real power behind that dogs come from the hi protein low fat bird seed i feed it. Actualy the dog grows all the plants that make seeds in the feed itself so i don't really have to spend any money on bird seed either. I hope my post has'nt rubbed anyone the wrong way. Maybe I just let myself get influenced by others too much. If one can tell a story why can't we all ? I apologise for the sarcasm i guess the truth is just sooooo far fetched it comes off as sarcastic. Let me tell you what my dog does this without any faults, well only when i'm telling the stories of how great mine do, when i'm trying agree with people or make a level ground i will tell you about the faults in my dogs it just depends on the post i'm writing i guess...

Sounds like you have some excellent hounds. Could you get them to teach my little mutts to shoot?

I guess I'm not sure what you expect the hunting stories to be about. Most people arent going to get on here and tell about the days they went out and there dogs just didnt get it done They're gonna share the stories of the good things more than the bad. I dont believe anyones here saying their dogs run with flawless execution its just not that much fun to speak of the 3 tracks they broke down on or the time it took 30 minutes to get their first rabbit jumped. Stories shared are gona be of the upbeat nature and usually reflect the positives of the hunts and the the dogs. I dont enjoy when the talk tunrns into a pissing contest either but theres alot guys who are proud of their hounds and if their happy with them great! I get the feeling you dont really like me or my posts and thats fine by me but if you think about it we both enjoy the same things and that applies to most people on this board. You'd probably be very good friends with many people you disagree wtih on here if you met them in person theres no way to get a real understanding about what an individual is like through a few daily posts on a message board.

[mobeagle]

Mo Beagler,

There is no point in all the sarcasm...just alot of times on these posts on these boards it seems to me like who can tell the tallest tale. Whoever thinks they have something that is worth braggin about should just go to a field trial and do something with the dog. I guess i'm too competitive to be reading this stuff...i always see it and think there is something to be gained and everytime i'm wrong.

I dont mind a guy braggin on their dogs. Theres alot of guys who love their dogs and are passionate about them. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What they feel is bragging material type dog you our I may not. If the dog is great in their eyes who am i to tell them its not. Now there is the stories that get talked about where guys are running down rabbits from behind and those dogs who never loose a track for two hours but for the most part its just a bunch of guys who are proud of there dogs shootin the breeze with fellow hunters. The ones who stretch the truth are actually just envious of the guys that really do have good hounds. As far as if your gona brag take it to a trial I never have and never will go to a trial. I hunt for the love of the hunt and beautifull melody a pack of good dogs make working a track. I'm 30 years old and have been around hounds since I was born my family has had up to 20 hounds at a time and never fewer than10. We hunt for the love of the sport and the hounds and competition hunting was never even a thought. Not to imply that trial hunters dont love the sport.

[Hood Swamp]

Ohlinger wrote:

"I guess ive been getting pretty analytical of my dogs lately i ran yesterday and it wasnt good scenting the rabbits where holeing quickly,and we had lots of checks and i watched my dogs swinging 50 plus yards out to pick up checks and the next thing you know you have 2 or 3 dogs wayy out ahead of other dogs that also picked up the check alot closer to the point of loss and things turn into a hot mess pretty quick, that may give you guys an idea of where im coming from."

I fully understand your sarcasim. If you have been through hundereds of dogs and the ones you have, search for a COTTONTAIL 50 plus yards, I fully understand why you can't catch one. If my dogs have to find the check over 150 feet away from the point of loss, It better be because the rabbit ran down the hwy or ran through a green house or some other huge obsticle.

Wayne Smith

[scootersjill]

I've got a dog that can circle the rabbit, come over pick up the gun and shoot it itself. Does'nt matter if it's pitch black out side and it's blindfolded it's nose is soo great it never misses a shot or over runs the track. BEAT THAT ! Never wastes shotgun shells and he eats 2 oz of bird seed a day so he's cheap as dirt to own and he cleans his poop out of the kennel, if i bring him in the house he's potty trained. Only problem is he can't read the hunting rules and regulations book so he does'nt know when rabbit is in and out of season. Nothing a shocking collar could'nt fix though. He's out of the most awesome dog in the world, and he pisses gold nuggets. I don't field trial him b/c he's so great, he would never get the credit he deserves I guess he's a true Gun Dog since he does it all. Heck even sets box traps and catches them all night while he's in the kennel! Now he's the real deal fellas!

have a female that is learnin to read knows some sign language may holler at you when she comes in heat . should make a good cross.

[ohlinger]

lol nice one hoodswamp. whenever you get some time for me to come down and see the real deal let me know...My dogs have caught there fair share of rabbits, when they do it it is'nt hte most impressive of track work...i know what it takes for a dog to catch a rabbit to me it ain't clean. some people obviously have never seen a good clean dog run to know what i'm talking about. To each there own. Bad days are a dime a dozen i guess i'd be a liar if i just came on braggin about all the catching they do and never talk about the bad days that come along too...Thas alrite buddy. My dogs make me just happy. A bad day running is better than a good day @ work ! Just lettin you fellas know you ain't fooling anyone with this rabbit catch talk. If you're dogs are catching rabbits on a regular basis you better start soloing cuz you'll be real disappointed when youre rough dogs cant finish a track on there own bud. Bottomline. Say whatchya want i've gotten plenty of pm's from people not saying anything this post to know i'm not the only who knows whats going with out even watching you're dogs!

[ohlinger]

scootersjill I think i'll make that cross with no stud fee i'd love to have a pup!

Look fellas no blood no foul. I just came on and tried to say my part. I guess ya did'nt like it and it just kept going everyone trying to top the last post. Just letin ya know you can't bull$h!t a bull$h!tter. Excuse the language. I like to think of myself as pretty easy to get along with. I guess waiting on the real boss @ my house to have this baby has got alil cabin fever goin on for me and these boards are like a magnet for boredom. Obviously we are fans of beagles. Bragging is always a challenge to somebody though. modesty is neutral keep that in mind. I guess a dog catching a rabbit just does'nt impress me awhole lot...a dog tracking a rabbit across some tough conditions is what might be impressive or dogs hammering a rabbit for an hour or a screamin hare chase that goes for miles it's pretty cool. A dog catching a rabbit has tooooooo many variables as to why that rabbit was caught maybe it should've bobbed instead of weaved or zigged when it zagged. Iunno Have fun with them dogs boys!

[Bev]

Can't speak for everyone else, but mine was fact, not bragging. Y'all think and believe what ya like. I'm pretty much out of dogs these days, so I've got nothing to gain by making it up.

The topic was "run to catch." Some of us have or have had dogs that not only run to catch, but have caught rabbits, not sick rabbits, not squatting rabbits...and done it multiple times. Every time out? No. Very often? Probably not, but certainly more than once or more than other dogs for whatever reason. This kind of reporting is not bragging, it's merely stating one's experiences as it relates to the topic.

A few on the thread seem to think it can't be done, or can't be done "right." Well, what's "right" and who decides this? Is there a wrong way to catch a rabbit? Would that be somehow related to "running too much rabbit?" If a dog runs to catch and it catches, it's right. If it runs to catch and the rabbit got away (which it does 95% of the time), then the dog gave you a good chase to watch. It's not a miracle or rocket science. Dogs have been running down and catching animals since time began. It's how they survived before Purina.

I can't get over the amount of red-ass on this topic, lol.

[mobeagle]

I guess a dog catching a rabbit just does'nt impress me awhole lot...a dog tracking a rabbit across some tough conditions is what might be impressive or dogs hammering a rabbit for an hour or a screamin hare chase that goes for miles it's pretty cool. A dog catching a rabbit has tooooooo many variables as to why that rabbit was caught maybe it should've bobbed instead of weaved or zigged when it zagged. Iunno Have fun with them dogs boys!

I agree with all that. Dogs arent running these rabbits down while doing a perfect track job and if they are they've caught one sittin to long that believes its hid they didnt run it down from behind while following the scent trail. I'd much rather listen to a long race as to watch a dog catch one also. I've caught plenty but cant tell you how or why on most of them. I caught one a couple of weeks ago right as it was bailing in a brush pile I heard it screaming and got to the dogs and they had pulled its tail off and it got in the brush pile now thats a TRUE story. How or why they caught up to it I dont know? It was about a 15 min run. May have been a crippled rabbit for all I know?


Run to Catch

[Joeyman]

Saturday Oct 31,2009 my male beagle caught one. I shot at the rabbit it kept going. they ran it for another 5 minutes or so roughly 5 minutes. Then I heard his Sight chase bark. And I know you guys know when your dogs are sight chasing a rabbit. Then I heard silence. He caught it. I quickly walked to where I saw the dogs which was a little ways thru the woods up a hillside and sure enough there was the rabbit and Pistol standing over it. NOW do I think he straight up caught it on a sight chase YES HE DID but I also believe their was atleast one or two shot in the rabbit. Had to have been.

this was it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7CIo_Gyk8s