Run to Catch

[Alabama John]

Ohlinger

When someone has a problem with everyone, the problem is usually with themselves!

[NorWester1]

As long as a rabbit stays up and running, a dog can hold the pace for hours. A rabbit cannot. I don't see how this is such a difficult concept to understand. I've seen the same dogs run for 8 hours pretty much without a break. Can't say I've ever seen the same rabbit do that. If he runs to his limit and doesn't go to hole, guess what...the dogs get him.

Who made this all about how a dog should or shouldn't catch a rabbit? And how does anyone KNOW how dogs ran rabbits and other animals before Purina fed them? Got any witnesses to prove those dogs of old were "cheating?" LOL. Cheating by what -- AKC Small Pack Options standards, or UKC's...?

"Heyyyyyy, that kill doesn't count. He was off the line 20% of the time!"

Good post.

The battle is as much against the terrain and conditions as it is the animal

[Bev]

Seriously, ohlingher. Where did anyone state their dogs were somehow better than yours because they caught rabbits? In fact, I don't recall a post where anybody said anything about your dogs. Why are you wearing a hair shirt about all this?

As far as crying wolf, I don't get that at all. Who's crying wolf? I don't understand how crying wolf applies here. If trophies are the qualifier for the truth, then let it be known that I took my rabbit catcher's trophies every year, replated them, and had enough to pass out a trophy for each kid present at the Brownstown fair who brought their own beagle to parade around the fair barn.

Wanna know what one particular accomplishment I'm most proud of about my rabbit catcher? It's not the big litters she had and kept, or the orphaned litter she raised. It wasn't the time she brought a baby bird fallen from a nest to me and I ended up raising the sucker. It's not making Champion/Grand Champion and all those trophies I was able to donate. It was the day during hunting season that she drove a rabbit so hard in the freezing rain that it couldn't go to hole, and she brought it around 4 times until one of us incompetents finally got a shot off that killed it. Four times. Four big Indiana flat land circles in the freezing rain, and by the time we shot it she had icycles hanging from her lips, ears, eyelashes, belly, tail, and ice balls between her pads. And had we had missed again, I have no doubt she would have run it around a 5th time.

Her accomplishment is in her indelible spirit, her heart, and her desire to run to catch under any conditions.

No crying wolf here, and not ashamed to brag. I'm glad you love your hounds because I certainly love mine, and that's all that matters at the end of the day.

[Hood Swamp]

This dead horse must have come from good stock!


10 pages and still going strong

[Casey Harner]

I would like to comment on this thread. I haven't seen a beagle or a pack of them run down a cottontail before either, but you know what I won't say it couldn't happen. Everything out in this world is very possible. I always say I will not believe it, until I see it, but on this topic I could believe it without seeing it. I hope to see it one day, but hey if my hound/hounds can easily push a rabbit back to me for a shot with a gun or with a camera, his ears are pinned back and my hounds pushing him to no limit without breakdowns, I am a happy beagler. If your dogs are the ones that can catch a cottontail on a dead run, I'd love to see it!!! I think its amazing that a pack hounds can run a rabbit stiff. Hounds that can keep that much pressure on a 2 or 3 hr run, on cottontails. Cottontails, they are very sneaky and tricky, but for a pack of hounds to put that much pressure on one and run him stiff is more amazing than them catching one at full speed!!! JMO!!!

[LaMarr Rhoades]

i have seen rabbits stiffen up many times from the dogs running them to long and the dogs catch them but i soon learned to catch the dogs before it happened i want them there for next time to runits hard to find a good running rabbit

[ohlinger]

AlabamaJohn I don't have a problem with anyone I'm just trying to get my points across just like everyone else on this board. I think this has kind of turned into who can make the next good point for some of us more than anything else. I don't beleive that anywhere in my posts that i have said that dogs can't catch rabbits. I have expressed the way i've seen dogs that catch alot of rabbits do it. I think that mybeagles said it pretty well a 13-15 inch dog chasing a small quick bunny through thick cover no not a chance. A 13-15inch dog chasing a rabbit through old strip mine pines or rather open fields, pine patches etc...ok yeah but is that really a big accomplishment especialy for a decent pack of 5 or 6 or more dogs. If you're asking me no......It was'nt until myself and couple others came on and shared our opinions on how we've seen it happen that all these remarkable error free dogs came out of the woodwork, and then the done it all in every condition and every speed world beaters that myself or seemingly too many others have ever heard of are popping up ? I'm not sayin i don't believe, obviously i'm skeptical. Like i said no personal problem i try not to make assumptions and i feel like you have made assumptions about me bc of my skepticism that all these people have these perfect dogs, that i've never seen or heard of. c/mon you really expect everyone to bow down and just be amazed ?

[RiverBottom]

Call me gullible but I enjoy reading about run to catch beagles. Bev and John, keep braggin all you want

I have an old dog here that I could tell a few good stories about but I'm sure a few would get tired of me braggin on my dogs. But then, who cares what Ohlinger thinks?

I'll always remember the first time I brought Rose down to hunt with Terry Daniels in Iowa. Febuary, hunting in a creek bottom full of multiflora rose on hard crusty snow, Rose and Terry's dog Shy ran down and killed the first rabbit right in front of us. They didn't wear it down, it only made one good circle. No cutting, slashing, cheating, squating, they just ran it down and killed it. Rose retrieved it to me

Or the time Rose brought a live cottontail to me. I waited for her to leave and then let it go unharmed.

Or just last fall when Rose, at nine years old brought me a snowshoe hare she ran down with help from her pups and grandpups after a short, fast race in thick spruce trees.

Or the time...

But I've had my once in a lifetime dog and she's old and slow and worn out now, kind of like me. All I can do anymore is brag about the good old days

[TC]

Shawn you know me and you Know my hounds YOU have run with thme before i aint Got Fast Dogs just med Speed IMHO
Now You know trixie Dirts mom? if I were to tell you She has caught 2 since we have moved to KY One in the bean field in front of the house after its third Circle in an Hour in the field she Caught it... The Other right here in the over grown pasture next to the house THICK serica and rye grass lots of orchard grass Clumped up tight. Figured \after its 30 min or more run in the tight stuff it made a mistake and yup She caught it!!! now YOU KNOW she aint no Wild Swinger a few steps slower than yours but GOOD control and No she didnt retrieve em to me She Flat Ate em almost all of it before i could get to her LOL So am I lying/bragging nope just stating a fact She caught rabbits!!! the new little bitch i got (velvet) cat fast!! had to Stop putting her in the pen at 10 mo She would catch the rabbit 10 min after we put her in it..Ran her in the same pasture and 45 min later She caught the rabbit or A rabbit anyways totally different kind of dog than Trixie just as fast as yours just tighter she will Swing out a little but not real rough So I say Yeah and i have SEEN rabbits Run Stiff in GA,MO,KY.OH.TN different terrains....how Can You EXPLAIN 11 rabbits CAUGHT in 18 trials by the Same Dog..
NO Not one of Mine a Club members Dog in OREGON THICk blackberry bushs E.E Wilson WMA i was there For 8 of the catches 2 I remember were SITE Chases dog RAN It DOWN 3 Were in SNOW rabbit got bound up in the Powder!! dog didnt!!
Little 13'' male..So Yup Some can Do it!!!
just my 2c worth
TC

[Alabama John]

Ol Harrel Whitener
I went to his place once and we ran. He has a great place to run and raised little, very pretty blueticks that went back to Bluecap breeding. They could sure run a rabbit.
They run different from ours so we ran his first and then ours. His ran for over 1 1/2 hour and ours ran 35 minutes and caught his rabbit. Before you say it, yes, it was a different rabbit in a different place.
He called me and asked if I would loan him a couple of dogs to run against someone. Wonder if that was you Ohlinger? Would of been interesting.

I'm in the heart of the best Close line following dogs ever bred (Brace) Magic City Beagle Club is just up the road from me and I was one of the original starters back in 1955. Also close to me is where folks bet BIG money on running dogs in a cash only competition in the strip mines and pay up each time the dogs cross the strip roads as who's is in front. Called locally a speed trial, but not like any trial ya'll ever seen I spect. If you want to bet on your dogs speed, this is the place and lots of folks here will let you take their money.

What a difference in directions the breeding of our Beagles has taken.

If I lived up North and had snow and terrible conditions I wouldn't have the type dogs I have now. I'd want what you have as it fits the conditions. But, here, where they can run wide open except for water I do have the right dogs for that. I'd much rather have a good swimmer, have no use for a good snow walker. Make sense?

[ohlinger]

lol wow..dogs do catch rabbits i'm aware...I guess i'm out of words finaly..i will give up to each there own. RAbbits gets caught i do agree there tc you and i watched it happen. it was nothing impressive and lucky looked like an idiot doing what he did to catch it. I think you said it well with trixie who is a nice dog and the rabbit made a wrong turn or hesitated too long. I have kind of lost my interest in my purpose on this post. y'all enjoy you're dogs! I'll try to get my to run a rabbit sometime too....I just thought it was peculiar how nobody but me and maybe one or two others notice how the majority of those rabbits are caught. That will be out of me thanks for you're time sorry if i hurt your feelings. Alabama John i don't think he ran your dogs with mine but who knows about him it's just hard to tell....have a Great Season it just came in today for us in ohio!

[TC]

No Problem With me Shawn YOU know that!!! And I thought Ol Lucky looked pretty good Doing it LOL
I Will Agree on a Flat out Jump and Site Chase!!! I dont think So!!! Maybe!!! But Aint seen it YET...

[chapkosbeagles]

hay bud that is how my big male catches um

sight race to catch. he will shut his mouth the last few feet and save his breath than bam

[eddywilliams]

Boy thats some mighty fine boasting there olinger ! What are the names of these dogs that can run with any around I will keep an eye open at the trials

[ohlinger]

c'mon fasteddy really ? You have a pm. Like i said i'm about tuckered out on this post. I just pm'd to you what i had originaly posted on here.