Part II Mouthy Dogs

[deadeyebeagle]

i must be missing something but the 5 or 6 lp casts iv been to the mouthy dogs have been minused out must be good judges and if i was in a cast and a dog was stringing along the pack and my dog wasent giving mouth i would know something wasent right and if the judge couldnt figure it out i would pic my own dog up and wouldnt wisper and type about it a few days later the whole world would know that day that i didnt want my dogs running with junk lol and i cant stand a dog that sits thare blowing holes in the ground and listen to someone say what a great nose it has and how great it would be doing if it was -10 and frozen ground well if thats the case then dont run it tell then.

[rabbitsmoker]

AMEN TOTALLY AGREE JUDGES NEED SOME SCHOOLING IF THEY CANT TELL A DIFFERENCE

[eddywilliams]

AMEN MAPLE VALLEY.I have a buddy that used to gun hunt only ,I went out with him for the 1st time several years ago he bragged how he had a rabbit dog and how they would kill 18 ,15 .............. We went out and all I seen was rabbits being shot at off the jump by the dog and ones we jumped .After I seen this dog run 2 different tracks under a barn in the snow with my 2 not opening and him bragging about his cold nosed hound that could run rabbits mine couldnt i took him down to the barn and showed him the CATS AND THEIR TRACKS that his rabbit dog was running .He was still an unbeliever but as my 2 dogs came running by us his came by us but came by us tongueing the dog tracks .He started seeing the light all the times this dog was cold trailing .barking on coon ,squirrel ,cats he thought it was tearing things up ,I quickly told him to box that dog back at the truck and we went on hunting and finally seen rabbits being circled .He had bragged on this hound and was definately kennel blind .He wont own a mouthy dog now or trashy (combination today) .IfI had any say that dog wouldove eaten a lead bisquit

[just for fun beagler]

i was in a cast this year it was summer and this dog won the cast by several points the guy would let him off the chin and he would bark. this fall when thinks where tuff runnin i ran in a cast with him and he minused out within 15minutes would strike in and not produce. the handler was so pised he was telling the judge how judge the rest of the dogs. i will scratch my dog if i ever run in a cast with this dog again

[eddywilliams]

cold trailers or dogs that popoff will show their true colors when the leaves fall .They are a waste of time .

[Tundra Beagle]

Can you guys clarify this for me. If a dog is cold nised and barks when others do not but does produce a rabbit in short order is he still to mouthy or just plain has a better nose than the other dogs. I do not see a problem with a dog that barks on a track if he produces that rabbit in short order. If he runs around and barks at every track he crosses and never does produce then this is wrong. I have never trialed but do not fault a dog that barks when others don't as long as he produces. Is this wrong?

[rabbitsmoker]

NO .AS LONG AS THE DOG PRODUCES HOW LONG IT TAKES WELL THAT TOTALLY UP TO THE OWNER AS FOR ME WHEN THEY BARK MY TIME LIMIT IS SHORT I DONT WONT STAND THERE WHILE A COLD NOSE DOG BLOWS A HOLE IN THE GROUND.THE BOTTOM LINE IS HOW LONG CAN SOMEONE TOLERATE BETWEEN STRIKE AND JUMP

[Blubeagle]

hey Tundra...in my opinion, if a dog produces a rabbit in a short period of time it wouldnd be a problem...i mean...if he can smell it...he has to trail it up to the jump spot...so if he barks from excitement or anticipation... so what??...i think he is doing his job!....again this is just my opinion...but a dog isnt always going to jump the rabbit right off the bat....if he smell a trail that leads to where the rabbit is sitting....i would want my dogs to follow it!!..if they bark some and jump that rabbit....good dogs....thats what i pay them to do!....LOL

[Blubeagle]

ill agree with rabbitsmoker....i dont want to wait an hout for the jump....i guess 10 minutes MAX....preferably 5 minutes or less

[S.R.Patch]

If your running one hound, this is not a problem. As conditions get better for running, usually, so does the cold traling. When a hound opens, he is proclaiming a find/jump and calling in his brothers and sisters to him. If the brothers and sisters are actually working independently on the same line but closer to the rabbit, he is only pulling the brother & sisters away from the rabbit to the spot where he has picked up some fragment of scent but has not actually found the rabbit yet. If the other hounds check him and find the scent is actually weaker than were they were working, they may come to ignore him in the future as being unreliable/mouthy or willing to speak upon any scent.
When a hound opens, he is on... and is calling all his brethren to come in and get on along with him. jmho

[deadeyebeagle]

AMEN MAPLE VALLEY.I have a buddy that used to gun hunt only ,I went out with him for the 1st time several years ago he bragged how he had a rabbit dog and how they would kill 18 ,15 .............. We went out and all I seen was rabbits being shot at off the jump by the dog and ones we jumped .After I seen this dog run 2 different tracks under a barn in the snow with my 2 not opening and him bragging about his cold nosed hound that could run rabbits mine couldnt i took him down to the barn and showed him the CATS AND THEIR TRACKS that his rabbit dog was running .He was still an unbeliever but as my 2 dogs came running by us his came by us but came by us tongueing the dog tracks .He started seeing the light all the times this dog was cold trailing .barking on coon ,squirrel ,cats he thought it was tearing things up ,I quickly told him to box that dog back at the truck and we went on hunting and finally seen rabbits being circled .He had bragged on this hound and was definately kennel blind .He wont own a mouthy dog now or trashy (combination today) .IfI had any say that dog wouldove eaten a lead bisquit

WHAT WAS THIS MOUTHY DOG OUT OF PM ME.AND FOR EVERY ONE ELSE INSTEAD OF NAMEING DOGS AND PEOPLE HOW ABOUT THARE BLOODLINES

[Casey Harner]

If your running one hound, this is not a problem. As conditions get better for running, usually, so does the cold traling. When a hound opens, he is proclaiming a find/jump and calling in his brothers and sisters to him. If the brothers and sisters are actually working independently on the same line but closer to the rabbit, he is only pulling the brother & sisters away from the rabbit to the spot where he has picked up some fragment of scent but has not actually found the rabbit yet. If the other hounds check him and find the scent is actually weaker than were they were working, they may come to ignore him in the future as being unreliable/mouthy or willing to speak upon any scent.
When a hound opens, he is on... and is calling all his brethren to come in and get on along with him. jmho

[johns03272008]

I have been following along through this thread and i neither agree with nor disagree with anyone i myself had a dog it was my first dog ever that was a med speed dog had a very strong nose and lots of people would say it was cold trailing or working one up but i will say this that sob could really work a rabbit he had a nose that could smell what no other dog could smell and i know that for a fact (saw him do it many times and then other dogs would follow in) and im not trying to get into a pecker measuring match here but this is exactly how it happend it was a very cold and windy day and i was out running him with another gentleman that was interested in him and i told him that he had a very strong nose so he brought his 2 dogs and they began to hunt and my male struck a track and he was the only dog barking for the first 4 mins with his to males following close behind but not saying anything no this is where alot of people would say mouthy but i do not say he was mouthy i just say he had alot of nose!!!! He had that rabbit up and moving and then finaly the other dogs struck in because my dog had forced the rabbit to get up and move so if it werent for a bigger nose dog who is to say that anyone would have ever got the rabbit up and moving NOW that being said i do not like a dog that will just constantly bark in a check area that to me is a MOUTHY DOG now that being said if a dog just barks off a leash or is constantly giving a non produce either in a hunt or in the field that to me is a MOUTHY DOG but if the dog is barking just earlier than others that does not bother me AS LONG AS THE DOG PRODUCES IT 90% of the time!!!! I will not feed a dog that will just bark all over the place but i do know that alot of people are saying "are we focusing to much on speed and forgetting the nose???" i do believe that there are dogs out there that have the nose and some of us have become a custom to the speed and not the nose therefor culling or not wanting those big nose dogs that we think are just barking and that OUR WINDSPLITTERS just cant smell what they are smelling??????? I do believe we need to focus on nose and speed and im not saying everyone out there is not focusing on speed or nose but i think this subject on mouthy dogs is not going to get anywhere but as far as a judge being fooled on a mouthy dog i have not judged more than once so i can not say i have or havent but i have seen a mouthy dog in a cast and it did not win or minus out i think if a judge thinks a dog is being mouthy and not producing anything forget the minus just hook the dog and leash it up no need to even let the dog go any further!!! JMHO

[mybeagles]

What I like to see is when the "dont bark till the rabbits jumped dogs"go run in the tough snow conditions of the north and they dont bark for the entire hunt. They dont bark because they cant smell anything. The excuses are amazing to me......

Those "Mouthy dogs" just circle rabbit after rabbit to the gun while the "clean mouthed dogs" just follow them around the woods wishing they could or maybe its just a lack of disire or brains that they usually recover from when the spring weather comes back.......maybe its amnesia during the winter..

Mybeagles

[eddywilliams]

My Beagles this is true, in some cases their are light nosed hounds that can only smell it if they are sniffing its tail .If you like these great big nosed hounds that bark and work a track 5 minutes or whatever then jump it and pound it in extreme cold great but how many times do they bark and not produce or start a track and run just as long as its strong and then lose it .Are you saying these hounds when they open are producing every time in extreme conditions ?I run Branko and Ranger Dan blood lines these lines are known for nose power among other things which lines are you referring to ?