Interesting figures‏

[2500 HD]

The Washington Post babbled again today about Obama inheriting a huge deficit from Bush. Amazingly enough,...... a lot of people swallow this nonsense. So once more, a short civics lesson.

Budgets do not come from the White House. They come from Congress, and the party that controlled Congress since January 2007 is the Democratic Party. They controlled the budget process for FY 2008 and FY 2009, as well as FY 2010 and FY 2011. In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them to compromise on spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough on spending increases.

For FY 2009 though, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid bypassed George Bush entirely, passing continuing resolutions to keep government running until Barack Obama could take office. At that time, they passed a massive omnibus spending bill to complete the FY 2009 budgets.

And where was Barack Obama during this time? He was a member of that very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed the omnibus bill as President to complete FY 2009.



If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the FY 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After that, Democrats in Congress took control of spending, and that includes Barack Obama, who voted for the budgets. If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself.

In a nutshell, what Obama is saying is I inherited a deficit that I voted for and then I voted to expand that deficit four-fold since January 20th.

[Rabbithoundjb]

Like I have said many times 2500, follow the legislation.

[2500 HD]

Like I have said many times 2500, follow the legislation.

Was just reminding the Pine Nuts of the world

[Newt]

According to this new poll, the GOP has a 2-point edge over Democrats in the generic congressional ballot — but among voters who describe themselves as most interested in the 2010 midterms, the GOP jumps to a 21-point lead over Democrats.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_pl2821


Gallup: Twice As Many Conservatives As Liberals
http://realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com ... ls-2-to-1/

I wonder after the 2012 election can we tar and feather him and send him back to Kenya to live with his Aunt. I'm sure Pine Mt would go with him to shine his shoes and hold his hat.

[Pine Mt Beagles]

Friday, May 23, 2008
Republicans - Fiscally Conservative?===B=S=

To summarize: of our over $9 trillion dollars of national debt, 70% was accumulated under just three presidents (Reagan, Bush, Bush). Of 19 proposed budgets, only 2 were balanced.

Thus, the strip posed an important question: what's up with the myth of Republican fiscal responsibility?

Intrigued by this, I did some more reading. I found an article by Michael Kinsley (whose last name is pronounced like idiots think mine is) summarizing the 2005 Economic Report Of The President. His findings? On average, yearly Big Government spending increases at least 37% more under Republican administrations than Democratic ones. Since 1960, the average yearly federal deficit is $131 billion, but that number under Democratic presidents is only $30 billion. In an average Republican year, the deficit grows by $36 billion, while it shrinks $25 billion in an average Democratic year. National debt under Republican administrations goes up more than double the amount of increase under Democratic administrations.

I also found this report by Steve McGourty (links seems broken, so check here instead). He explains that since 1946, Democratic administrations have been responsible for increasing the national debt an average of 3.2% per year, while Republican administrations are responsible for an average increase of 9.7% (that's a three-to-one ratio). Since 1945,--- during any given year when Republicans have been in charge of both the Executive branch and the Congress, spending has never been reduced.--- He also notes that Reagan campaigned and got elected while calling for a balanced budget amendment, only to never submit a single balanced budget himself. Furthermore, under Reagan the national debt increased by more than 200%, the only beneficiary being the rich people whose taxes were cut. And if you find any of this surprising, you simply must read his summary/conclusions.*

I found several reports (check out this one, or this one) on zFacts that give more details regarding the brief summary in Trudeau's comic. Also, you can check out this graph, or follow this running total. The numbers and facts are truly stunning.

Moral of the story? Most people who name fiscal conservativism as a primary reason they vote for Republicans have been sadly, badly, terribly deceived.
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[Rabbithoundjb]

I tell you what PMB since you like to post all of these open ended liberal number twisting posts, here is an assignment for you. Post the amount every president added to the national debt yearly for the last 40 years including Obama and lets see if your numbers add up. You see I know W. added 5 trillion or there about to the debt but where your numbers are scewed is that Clinton added about the same amount as Reagan and about the same as H. Bush and lets see how Obama is doing.

Talk about hippocrit you want to talk everything but Obama. Obama is failing and your looking for cover.

[Pine Mt Beagles]

by Rabbithoundjb on Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:47 pm

I tell you what PMB since you like to post all of these open ended liberal number twisting posts, here is an assignment for you. Post the amount every president added to the national debt yearly for the last 40 years including Obama and lets see if your numbers add up. You see I know W. added 5 trillion or there about to the debt but where your numbers are scewed is that Clinton added about the same amount as Reagan and about the same as H. Bush and lets see how Obama is doing.

Talk about hippocrit you want to talk everything but Obama. Obama is failing and your looking for cover.
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-FIRST OFF YOU DON'T GIVE ME ANY KIND OF ASSIGNMENT .
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-AND SECOND OFF I'AM NOT RUNNING NOWHERE.
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-AND THIRD THIS PRESIDENT HAD NO CHANCE FOR ANYTHING BUT, FAILURE BECAUSE OF THE STATE OF AFFAIR'S WHEN HE TOOK OFFICE.AND THE REPUBLICAN DESERTER'S .
--AND -YES- BECAUSE OF THE B.P. OIL SPILL-(CAUSED BY DICK AND GEORGE) HE WILL BE A ONE TERM PRESIDENT ,AND IF A REPUBLICAN GET'S IN, WE WILL SEE THE GREATEST DEPRESSION, EVER MUCH LIKE WE -WERE HEADED FOR WHEN BUSH LEFT.
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-THE 5 -TRILLION YOU SAY GEORGE BUSH ADDED DOES NOT INCLUDE THE TWO WAR'S
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-NOW IF YOU, DO A LITTLE LOOKING, YOU WILL SEE REGAN, INCREASED THE DEBT BY 89% WHILE CLINTON, DECREASED THE DEBT -IN POINT OF FACT -CLINTON -IS THE ONLY PRESIDENT IN HISTORY ,DEM.OR REPUBLICAN TO EVER REDUCE THE NATIONAL DEBT. IN THE BROADER SENCE OF THE TERM .AND HE CREATED MORE JOB'S THAN EVERY- REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT- ADDED TOGETHER.JUST LOOK IT UP .
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-I KOW YOU WILL SAY-- LEFT WING -LEFT WING .
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-WHEN ARE YOU GUY'S GOING TO LEARN,THAT-THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A -----REPUBLICAN- CONSERVATIVE----IT'S A MYTH--MADE UP BY THE VERY RICH TO CONTROL,PEOPLE WHO CANNOT THINK FOR THEM SELVES,GUN CONTROL AND ABORTION AND PROMISED TAX CUT'S( THAT NEVER HAPPEN EXCEPT FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T NEED THEM),IS ALL, THEY EVER RUN ON ,AND DO NOTHING SIGNIFICANT, ABOUT EITHER.IF YOU LOOK CLOSE YOU WILL FIND THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A REPUBLICAN,, IT'S JUST A HOLLOW WORD,,MEANING LESS,,WHEN YOU VOTE,REPUBLICAN ,((EXCEPT FOR ABOUT 1% OF AMERICA,)) WHO BENEFIT FROM THE TAX CUT'S AND SHIPPING JOB'S OVER SEA'S..YOU ARE VOTING AGAINST YOUR SELF AND FAMILY'S FUTURE.
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-HERE IS YOU AN ASSIGNMENT --LOOK FOR A REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT THAT HAS EVER, DID ANYTHING FOR AMERICA,ABE LINCOLN, KNOWN FOR HOLDING THE UNION TOGETHER AND FREEING THE SLAVE'S .OPINION'S VARY ON BOTH OF THESE.RONALD REGAN, KNOW FOR ENDING THE COLD WAR ONCE AGAIN OPINION'S VARY.END OF THE LIST........
-LINCOLN -WAS THE FIRST PRESIDENT TO PRINT MONEY WITH OUT ANY SECURITY-REGAN -GREW THE NATIONAL DEBT.MORE THAN 89%.......

[Rabbithoundjb]

Absolute LIE. CLINTON INCREASED THE NATIONAL DEBT BY 1.5 TRILLION DOLLARS, go up to your little search engine and put in national debt and search, you will find the truth if you have the guts. The only reason he balaced the budget was the republicans took control of the house and senate in 1994 and stopped his deficit spending.

CLINTONS HAS COST THE COUNTRY A LOT MORE JOBS THEN WHERE CREATED DURING HIS TERM.

LETS GET BACK TO OBAMA WHO IS ON TRACK TO SPEND AS MUCH AS W. IN ONE TERM. The only way he spends less is if the republicans win enough seats to stop his deficit spendindg like they did Clinton.

BY THE WAY, I have NEVER defended W's spending so you will find something else to complain to me about while you defend Obamas spending, talk about a hippocrit.

[bluemouse]

Pinenut you never cease to amaze me with your way of thinking. Your comments about the myth of republican conservatives shows just how far gone you are. You stated the very rich are here to control people who cannot think for themselves, that fits your state of mind completely, that they want to control guns, more true for your left wing nut,same is true for pro abortion. Now comes your remarks about tax cuts, you are such a dumb a$$, That you do not have any idea whats going to happen next year when W's tax cuts expire. Stay on the meds it helps you sleep more and not post useless nosense.

[bluegrass]

Pinenut you never cease to amaze me with your way of thinking. Your comments about the myth of republican conservatives shows just how far gone you are. You stated the very rich are here to control people who cannot think for themselves, that fits your state of mind completely, that they want to control guns, more true for your left wing nut,same is true for pro abortion. Now comes your remarks about tax cuts, you are such a dumb a$$, That you do not have any idea whats going to happen next year when W's tax cuts expire. Stay on the meds it helps you sleep more and not post useless nosense.

Not only is he clueless he apparently cannot even read his own cut and paste articles to see if they are relevant...his most recent one is dated 2008!!

He just reposts whatever is sent to him...I still think its Chief Hippee....


Sarah Palin 2012
LONG LIVE RUSH LIMBAUGH AND GLENN BECK

[Newt]

Listening to Rev Wright is more educational than reading PM's drivel. You see what listneing to The Rev did to Obama.

[Pine Mt Beagles]

Rabbithoundjb on Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:40 pm

Absolute LIE. CLINTON INCREASED THE NATIONAL DEBT BY 1.5 TRILLION DOLLARS, go up to your little search engine and put in national debt and search, you will find the truth if you have the guts. The only reason he balaced the budget was the republicans took control of the house and senate in 1994 and stopped his deficit spending.
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-SEEM'S A LITTLE STRANGE .YOU SAY HE RAISED THE DEBT (FALSE)YET YOU SAY HE BALANCED THE BUDGET.TRUE.WHICH IS IT IN SCT-FY LAND-AND SINCE YOU VOTED -TWICE- FOR --W-- YOU AGREE WITH HIM ON SPENDING--
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-BLUE RAT--YOU KNOW REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVES ARE A -MYTH-I DOUBT YOU EVER SAW ONE, EITHER AT LEAST ONE IN OFFICE, IN POLITIC'S-A LOT OF AMERICAN'S, DEMOCRAT, INDEPENDENT AND REPUBLICAN'S ,BELIEVE IN CONSERVATIVE IDEA'S ,BUT NO REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRATIC, PRESIDENT HAS EVER REALLY PROVED TO BE CONSERVATIVE,LIKE I SAID IT'S JUST A- MYTH-USED BY BOTH PARTIES BUT MUCH MORE BY REPUBLICAN'S.
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-NOW WHAT HAS REPUBLICAN'S DONE TO PREVENT ABORTION,I KNOW THEY TRY TO MAKE IT ILLEGAL,STOP FUNDING,DID NOT, SLOW IT DOWN ,THE ONLY THING THAT SLOWED IT WAS THROUGH EDUCATION ON BIRTH CONTROL,AND MAKING BIRTH CONTROL MORE ACESSABLE.AND FAMILY PLANNING ETC.
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-AND HOW MANY GUN'S HAVE BEEN TAKEN AWAY BY DEMOCRATS,YES, THE BRADY BILL IS IN EFFECT AND I'AM DEAD AGAINST IT OR ANY KIND OF GUN CONTROL .BUT YOU TRY TO USE THIS AS A REASON TO VOTE REPUBLICAN ,WHY DIDN'T THE REPUBLICAN'S WHEN THEY HAD- THE HOUSE- SENATE AND THE PRESIDENT OFFICE ALL THREE.IF THEY WERE SO CONCERNED ,PASS LEGISLATION TO PREVENT ANT FUTURE GUN CONTROL LWA'S FROM BEING PASSED.THEY DID NOT WANT TO TAKE TIME FROM THEIR WAR'S AND BIG BUSINESS'S TO BOTHER WITH IT.--REPUBLICAN'S ARE BASICALLY A --MYTH---MADE UP TO OPPOSE THE DEMOCRAT'S TO PROTECT THE VERY RICH NOT YOU GUY'S AND PROTECT BIG BUSINESS,,LIKE THEY ARE DOING RIGHT NOW FIGHTING WITH THEIR BREATH TO PROTECT B.P.WHY BECAUSE THEY ARE TRYING TO PROTECT THE -REPUBLICAN MYTH-THAT HAS GIVEN THEM SO MUCH MONEY AND CONTROL OVER OUR GOVERNMENT.THEY CONTRIBUTE MILLION'S TO REPUBLICAN'S CAMPAIGN'S AND OTHER REPUBLICAN AGENDA'S STOPPING BILL'S ETC.BUT TO BE FAIR DEMOCRAT'S GET THEIR SHARE OF THE MONEY AS WELL.

[bluemouse]

First off Pinenut I do not vote party lines, I vote for the best person I believe that will do the best job period. You with your bashing of the rep party make you a one sided idiot. You talk about what the reps have done for us. And I will tell you one more time, I do not need them to do a darn thing for me. I want them to protect my rights from people doing things to me. Give you a great example, stop the illegals from crossing the borders with thier drugs and their crimmals that reap destruction on the american people. Dont tell me to buy health insurance. Get the idea. Now everyone has ask you before Hows obumer working out for america. You like the hand outs and promises of prosperity off other peoples hard work. I see a clown in a town of zombies.

[Rabbithoundjb]

PMB in case you don't know it the federal budget and the national debt are two seperate entities space cadet. You should also know Obama is spending on the wars is going toward the national debt and not the federal budget just like Bush did. 53 cent on every dollar being spent by this administration is being borrowed.

[Pine Mt Beagles]

by Rabbithoundjb on Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:33 am

PMB in case you don't know it the federal budget and the national debt are two seperate entities space cadet. You should also know Obama is spending on the wars is going toward the national debt and not the federal budget just like Bush did. 53 cent on every dollar being spent by this administration is being borrowed.--SO WHY YOU BASHING OBAMA-
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-YES- I KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BUT SEEM'S YOU DON'T,
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-AND ONCE AGAIN I DON'T BASH -REPUBLICAN'S- I JUST POINT OUT THE OTHER SIDE OF YOU GUY'S LIE,
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-FROM THE FIRST TIME I READ THIS BOARD YOU GUY'S WERE BASHING DEMOCRAT'S.ONE AND ALL,MOSTLY LYING,
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-by bluemouse on Thu Jul 01, 2010 6:52 am

First off Pinenut I do not vote party lines, I vote for the best person I believe that will do the best job period. You with your bashing of the rep party make you a one sided idiot. You talk about what the reps have done for us. And I will tell you one more time, I do not need them to do a darn thing for me. I want them to protect my rights from people doing things to me. Give you a great example, stop the illegals from crossing the borders with thier drugs and their crimmals that reap destruction on the american people. Dont tell me to buy health insurance. Get the idea. Now everyone has ask you before Hows obumer working out for america. You like the hand outs and promises of prosperity off other peoples hard work. I see a clown in a town of zombies.
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-I DOUBT YOU VOTE AT ALL,AND YOU DO NEED THEM,YOU JUST SAID YOU WANTED THEM TO PROTECT YOU,AND I AM GLAD YOU HAVE TO BUY HEALTH INSURANCE, IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT ,AND PRESIDENT OBAMA IS DOING THE BEST HE CAN ,,BUT I KNOW MORE COULD BE DONE,--YOU CAN STICK THE HAND OUT'S UP YOUR BUTT. I DON'T NEED THEM........AS FOR HARD WORK YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEAN'S......CRAWL 2 MILES ON YOUR STOMACH DRAGGING ABOUT 50 POUND'S IN- 19 1/2 IN. HIGH COAL ,DON'T TALK THAT- B. S.- TO ME ABOUT HARD WORK- I'VE HAD MY SHARE AND YOUR'S.
TO.--I SEE A FAIRY IN A MYTHICAL LAND..
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-NOW THAT SAID I DO AGREE WITH YOU ON THE BOREDR'S AND DRUG SMUGGLER'S ,CRIMINAL'S ETC .AND I DON'T BELIEVE THE BULL LAW ENFORCEMENT HANDS US THAT THEY CANNOT STOP I THINK THEY CAN .BUT THEY WANT IT PAY'S TO GOOD.I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY THESE DRUG CARTEL'S GIVE TO POLITICIAN'S.