Ive heard three people on here say AKC are the real FC dogs.

[mybeagles]

I have been to AKC Midwest, AKC UBGF, AKC Large Pack, ARHA LP, AHRA PP, UKC HB...never been to PKC.

In the AKC trials I was supprised at how many states were represented. A very dedicated group, many traveling 6-8 hours to get there. Very similar to an AHRA or UKC state hunt. In the AHRA and UKC hunts it was almost all local club guys. The state hunts were similar to an AKC hunt as pertains to entries and competition.

A great dog is a great dog regardless of format, and can win if the owner gets the dog to the hunts. The question comes in with the average dogs that make champion. Its very rare, and nearly impossible to finish an average dog in the Midwest or Large pack hare. It happens, but its rare and cost lost of money to get a dog to that many hunts.

In AHRA and UKC you see more average dogs making champion. An owner can go to small local hunts and finish a dog.

IMO, if AHRA and UKC would make it a requirement for a dog to win one of the BIG Hunts, State or Nationals to make Grand it would really elivate the prestige of it.

To be honest, now that AKC is permitting two hunts per year, the entries have decreased, there are fewer guys traveling and the prestige associated with FC is somewhat diminishing, but its still without a doubt the most challenging title. If you doubt that, bring you AHRA Grands and UKC Grands to some AKC hunts and see for yourselves. If you truely have an outstanding dog, they will do well. If you won several small club hunts but never won against tough competition, you will likely find it a daunting task.

I think ALL the formats are fun, and I wouldn't hesitate to attend any of them. Just because one format is more challenging, doesn't take anything away from the others, but it also does not mean that they are equal.

Mybeagles

[Gunslinger Beagles]

this is why i dont go to any of it. i get close to wanting to go to lp or pkc or ukc and then read all the post on this subject. most of u seem angry, dissatisfied and confused and to be honest with all, running my dogs,hunting and breeding is something i do because it is a stress relief from life and this post makes my underware get in a bunch just reading it. why go? do u need more stess? for a title? fame? reconntion? Not me brother i go for stress relief, exersice,fun. If stress and anger is your diffintion of fun, go for it! but that is what beagling gets me away from. Out side with a friend or friends and escaping the problems of my world. Not getting mad at other beaglers, judges, dogs and then stay mad and takes forever and a day to get ovet it. Not worth it, cant have it, want have it, i should sale out and never return if that is what beagleing is about!!!!J Thank God that is not even close to what it is about for me.JMO

[tinymwoods]

Just from what I have hears and read here, it seems as though AKC is the "elite" class. You have lots of hounds with lots of money spent. Being a poor man from the mountains, it is hard for me to spend thousands on travel to go to a few hunts and hope I could win. The AKC clubs around here are UGBF? I think. They promote a slow "walkie-talkie" dog. Not what I enjoy running. The AKC hunts here also do not seem to promote a hard hunting dog. I understand the Mid-West is more of my style of dog and seems to promote a more all around hound.

My question to that is, if you champion in mid-west or in brace, isn't it the same FC in front of the name? I know you can ask what format, but looking at pedigrees and what not they are all the same titles. I would enjoy AKC for the same reason I enjoy ARHA and did enjoy UKC, the others hunters are what makes it a great time. I also don't like the idea of posting judges before a hunt. It should not matter who the judge is if you have a good hound. The judges should judge the same no matter where they are from, who they are, or who YOU are. Money makes AKC go round in registration and it seems in hunts. JMO

[madcatter]

Another reason for akc.
feild champions that are finished still run in the dale class.
To be a champ......beat the champ.
Other registeries seperate them.

[madcatter]

Another reason for akc.
feild champions that are finished still run in the same class.
To be a champ......beat the champ.
Other registeries seperate them.

[mybeagles]

Gunslinger,

this is why i dont go to any of it. i get close to wanting to go to lp or pkc or ukc and then read all the post on this subject. most of u seem angry,

I think some people just have a greater desire for competition than others. Knowing several of the guys posting on here, I don't think very many of them are angry, just passionate about their dogs and the formats they compete in.

Competition is not for everybody, but for some, they have built their entire kennels around competition and trials. There obviously is a demand for it, because it keeps going on.

The different formats can be somewhat regionalized, meaning some area's only have UKC, some area's mainly have AKC or whatever. When a guy puts so much time and money into trialing in a specific format, he wants to believe its the best and most legitamate. Unless a person has made an honest effort to attend and compete in each format, I dont see how they can be so sure one format is better or worse than the other. Most guys generally migrate towards the format that best suits their hounds, and that only makes sense. My belief is that the formats are not better or worse, but rather just different.

Mybeagles

[Casey Harner]

this is why i dont go to any of it. i get close to wanting to go to lp or pkc or ukc and then read all the post on this subject. most of u seem angry, dissatisfied and confused and to be honest with all, running my dogs,hunting and breeding is something i do because it is a stress relief from life and this post makes my underware get in a bunch just reading it. why go? do u need more stess? for a title? fame? reconntion? Not me brother i go for stress relief, exersice,fun. If stress and anger is your diffintion of fun, go for it! but that is what beagling gets me away from. Out side with a friend or friends and escaping the problems of my world. Not getting mad at other beaglers, judges, dogs and then stay mad and takes forever and a day to get ovet it. Not worth it, cant have it, want have it, i should sale out and never return if that is what beagleing is about!!!!J Thank God that is not even close to what it is about for me.JMO

Need more Stress??? What the heck are you talking about. We are stating our opinions, yeah the stress can add up when your trying to champ out a dog, but I bet a lot of people also go to these trials for comrady. What do you know what goes on at these trials??? Nothing right??? ok! Well I advise you to go to one! Just one, if you still don't like it let us know why, give us reasons!!!!

I think you read what you wanted to read in some of these messages, but hey thats ok. We will enjoy these trials and let haters, just hate!!!!

[Joeyman]

mo beagler come up to the AKC trail in illinois this weekend. I'm running in the 13" bitch class. come on up and watch the dogs go. See how you like AKC trials.

[NeilKimbrel7]

Finals in other formats often consists of 2 or 3 dogs. In akc you can compete with up to 8 other hounds in the final cast alone. In some ukc hb you can win competing in only one round going off the highest overall score which requires luck on the spot you run. Are you starting to get an idea? Also you hear ppl bragging about granding a hound out at 9 months old. That would not be impossible in akc. Wonder y that is? It's more difficult, therefor more prestigous.

[JUDE]

Here you go watch it and decide for yourselves .


http://americanbeagler.huntingboards.co ... =5&t=66516

[Lee Cockman]

I have to step in for my Format. NKC When is the last time anyone tried to Grand a dog? Maybe it is just the clubs I run in but I wish you guys would show me how is it is. I will be honest I am not talking just to Champion one but make him a grand. I do not beleive you guys have tried it in this Decade. JMO Maybe it is my dogs. We have a hunt this weekend come on out since everyone thanks it is so easy. A good dog is a good dog in any format. You may get lucky and draw dogs you can beat in the open class it happens we have all seen it. But you do not get luck in the Champion class 5 times. Not unless it is 5 years later. Lets face it who wants to take five years to finsh a dog. I am not i will look something else. Again JMHO

A GOOD DOG IS GOOD DOG and A GOOD DOG IS HARD TO BEAT IN ANY FORMAT

If AKC SPO was not Brace in NC I would run it. But if you had to walk with these slow dogs down here you would see why I LOVE NKC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lance]

Here you go watch it and decide for yourselves .


http://americanbeagler.huntingboards.co ... =5&t=66516

Sorry boys....to each his own, but the best thing about that video is the camera picture quality!!! The false line they laid when the rabbit ran under the black chevy tells it all....

[Joeyman]

you can look at that clip many ways. Speaking for myself I can tell you what I see in that clip.

here's what I see

One that rabbit had been sitting there for atleast two minutes tops. Two it was very windy if you can't tell by the sound = scent being scattered. My thunder dog almost got that check (well maybe or maybe not) but before he could another dog opened and took the pack in the wrong direction they did stop and come back to try and work it out. but i agree which ever dog that was did take them in the wrong direction WHY I don't know. Third the rabbit went across a gravel road and factor in the wind which wasn't helping any. I'm not making excuses but it was a difficult task.

and the dogs that do wrong and take dogs in different directions DO NOT GET CALLED BACK FOR SECOND SERIES

my dog was picked up in that group so.......I didn't get to run in second series.

and WINNER's pack had the best 9 dogs out of 39big males that entered that day

Don't base the entire AKC off this video. What you saw was a 1 series run where dogs can and will be picked up for what you saw in the video. That's how AKC works.

if you continue watching the video you will see a second series group run. the dogs were better matched and ran much better. it was a group of 6 or 7 dogs I believe in the second series and they only brought back 2 or 3 dogs from that group. what they do is narrow it down untill they get to the winner's pack. the crazy dogs don't make it far and they'll never make FC if they can't make it rounds.

[NeilKimbrel7]

Lee you don't have to stand up for nkc against me, I like and trial nkc both pp and little pack. That doesn't change the fact that it is harder to fc a dog than to make a grand in little pack IMO. No one said it was easy either...just easier. And a good dog is a good dog in any format. A rabbit dog will trial in most formats. You can't tell me there arent loopholes. Tell me, how many dogs does it rake to run a champion cast?

[m and m beagles]

AKC SPO trials are great IMO.


Most of the judges like a honest, cleaner, and hard hitting check dog. Some of the judges let them run a little more than I like. The beauty of AKC is the judges are advertised before you even go to a hunt so you know if your hound is gonna fit in well.

Another plus to AKC is the same judges look @ every dog
In that class.


I have run ARHA LP, PP, UKC hunting beagle, UKC PP, AKC SPO, AKC Large Pack and PKC.

I haven't been to as many AKC hunts as I would like too (5-6times)but I have won 1 a got NBQ at another. AKC is by far tougher to make a FC in.


Joeyman I'm impressed that you picked up on the AKC format in 1 Trial. A lot of guys will try some thing new and not do as well as they hope and think they got screwed or hate the format. The dogs get better and better the deeper in the hunt they go. I was glad to see that 1 of your dogs got called back and got another look. There are some guys that go to the trials and I have yet to see there dogs in the 2nd series or the Winners Pack.

In your video as you know the gallery screwed the rabbit up by all the Trucks driving up to the Pack after the straight up drove the rabbit out of the country.

When that rabbit jumped back up my dog barked once about halfway to the black chevy and there was a CRAZY Dog barked and took off with the ghost track and drug the pack with it. That dog wasn't back out on the 2nd series. The judges remember that crap and most of the time they don't get another look.

Good luck in Ill this weekend I'm glad your gonna get after'em again.