Jump dog females, who has them?

[Rowco Beagle Kennels]

HERE SHE IS: ROWCO LPRCH BOBBY'S ANNE. SHE IS STILL LIVING (3 1/2 YRS OLD). SHE BELONGS TO MY WIFE, NAMED FOR HER. SHE HUNTS WITH THE PACK OR INDEPENDENTLY, BUT SHE FINDS THE RABBITS AND WHEN SHE OPENS THE RABBIT IS UP. HE BETTER RUN FAST BECAUSE SHE HAS EXTREME SPEED BUT CAN HANDLE THE TRACK. HER DADDY WAS A FAST DOG THAT COULD JUMP AND HOLD THE TRACK, INDIAN HILLS BOBBY MEGEE. ONLY PROBLEM IS HERE IT IS GUN SEASON AND SHE IS BRED. ROWCO

[JCM]

I would say the rabbit population is the US is in trouble. It seems like almost everybody has a super jump dog like nobody has ever seen.

And all this time I was thinking that a real jump dog was something special.

But I've got this one female . . .

[Alabama John]

TC,
It will be a sad day when she is gone. Great memories though!

[TC]

TC,
It will be a sad day when she is gone. Great memories though!

One of them Holes that is just hard to dig no matter how soft the ground!! and your right the memories will last a lifetime and her get will help bring the memories back!! Gave her a little extra belly rubbin today just cause I needed it LOL Sure seems like there are a WHOLE bunch of EXTRA good dogs Nowadays just wish i had a few!! Nice to know there are still a few folks out there that really Know what a true jumpdog is just caint seem to explain it to Some!!

[BG BEAGLER]

Jim what u talking bout everybody has a great jump dog

[J.C. Blair]

I would say the rabbit population is the US is in trouble.

But I've got this one female . . .

......that when she barks out the side of her mouth, you know she's got a rabbit.

[bluemouse]

Seems this subject comes up and its a rerun of last years thread. I guess if you have one or ever had one you will know that these dogs ( Jump dogs) are just wired different from other hounds, some wind, some beat the bust, some just sleek around and know where to find a bunnies. But most of all they are special they will stand out from the others it may be just a little or a whole lot and if you been around hounds and know what a hounds suppose to do in the field you will see that something is different about this hound. Call it what you want a jump dog, a good hound, a great hound but those that have experinced it know its special. Tally-HO. ------------- Find that rabbit Sisaroo Find him

[mobeagle]

The mythical jump dog. Wierd that 90% of them are dead. Guess the hound world is going in the wrong direction. May ruffle some feathers but if you think it's something big to own two or three in a lifetime your breeding program needs some improvement. I've been chasing hounds as far back as my memory allows and have seen ALOT of true jump dogs, whether it be coon dogs, coyote dogs, or beagles I've seen them all. There's a serious over exaggeration of the mythical "jump dog" like it has super dog powers that only come out every 3000 years. Don't tell me I've never seen one because if I had I'd know what everyones talking about. I hunt coon, coyotes and rabbits all with dogs and have since I was old enough to walk. I've owned and hunted over so many dogs.... I've seen some great ones and I've seen some real bad ones. I've heard this junk so many times there was even a time I dreamed off into lala land and bought into the idea of the mythical jump dog, had a couple I even declared as such and then I sobered up and was honest with myself, yea that dog was one hell of a jump dog but nothing mythical about him just better than the others I've owned. I think the confusion here is that yea duh you'll only own 1 best dog you ever had the one that just done it a little better than anything else you've owned, and thats where people throw their mythical jump dog in. Dont over glorify it, awesome that you have a great jump dog but there's plenty of "true jump dogs" whatever the hell that means?

[mud]

Mobeagle you have the right to any opinion you want.I just disagree.I read your post about coyote hounds. Very nice by the way.I noticed you described what might be a once in a lifetimer kind of dog.Evidently she is something for her age that you had never seen before ability wise. Is this mythical? Or do you think you will own a kennel full just like her?I never claim to have the best dogs.I have owned one true jump dog and I no the difference.Now you may be quite right my breeding program leaves lots to be desired.I have a dog out of an IFC and AKC midwest champion etc.They are decent dogs but far from the lifetimer I once owned.Good topic here.. By the way you did not ruffle my feathers I agree with you my breeding program could use a shot in the arm.If someone can steer me in the right direction I am not to old to learn new tricks even though I been doing this over 40 years....

[barnold1]

The mythical jump dog. Wierd that 90% of them are dead. Guess the hound world is going in the wrong direction. May ruffle some feathers but if you think it's something big to own two or three in a lifetime your breeding program needs some improvement. I've been chasing hounds as far back as my memory allows and have seen ALOT of true jump dogs, whether it be coon dogs, coyote dogs, or beagles I've seen them all. There's a serious over exaggeration of the mythical "jump dog" like it has super dog powers that only come out every 3000 years. Don't tell me I've never seen one because if I had I'd know what everyones talking about. I hunt coon, coyotes and rabbits all with dogs and have since I was old enough to walk. I've owned and hunted over so many dogs.... I've seen some great ones and I've seen some real bad ones. I've heard this junk so many times there was even a time I dreamed off into lala land and bought into the idea of the mythical jump dog, had a couple I even declared as such and then I sobered up and was honest with myself, yea that dog was one hell of a jump dog but nothing mythical about him just better than the others I've owned. I think the confusion here is that yea duh you'll only own 1 best dog you ever had the one that just done it a little better than anything else you've owned, and thats where people throw their mythical jump dog in. Dont over glorify it, awesome that you have a great jump dog but there's plenty of "true jump dogs" whatever the hell that means?

Do you trial? Like to see a guy show up with a box full and kick everybody's ass on the basis of jump-strikes.

[mobeagle]

Mobeagle you have the right to any opinion you want.I just disagree.I read your post about coyote hounds. Very nice by the way.I noticed you described what might be a once in a lifetimer kind of dog.Evidently she is something for her age that you had never seen before ability wise. Is this mythical? Or do you think you will own a kennel full just like her?I never claim to have the best dogs.I have owned one true jump dog and I no the difference.Now you may be quite right my breeding program leaves lots to be desired.I have a dog out of an IFC and AKC midwest champion etc.They are decent dogs but far from the lifetimer I once owned.Good topic here.. By the way you did not ruffle my feathers I agree with you my breeding program could use a shot in the arm.If someone can steer me in the right direction I am not to old to learn new tricks even though I been doing this over 40 years....

That is one great part of being an American. The right to freely voice our thoughts and opinions. I just feel mine was right!!!!

Nothing mythical about Chief (pup mentioned on coyote post). He's the product of years of linebreeding and bettering our pack. Do I expect to have a kennel full of him? Not sure on that depends on how long I do this but I'd lean towards yes in a few more years of breeding, wich will depend on how many bone headed mistakes I make...Our pack is drastically better than it was 10 yrs ago and thats the product of trial and error, some hits, some misses and the refusal to keep anything but what we felt was the very best and culling the rest. We've gotten better in choosing our crosses, better at identifying what traits certain crosses pass on etc. Yea you may go through several dogs to get there. There were years I'd go through 15 dogs over the summer to get to a pack of 3-4 I felt were good enough to hunt over come winter. My uncle and I night hunt all summer several nights a week pushing our hounds and seeing what they're made . There's weeks in the summer we'll average only 3-5hrs of sleep a night. There is in my mind no special secret just a few key traits needed to produce quality hounds. You must be stubborn, willing, have a good eye for a dog, and most importantly not be kennel blind. Stubborn to the point you wont settle for anything but the best, willing to put the time in, willing to make mistakes, have an eye for little things a dog does and doesnt do well, and like I said never fall in love with anything in your kennel you'll become blind to all their faults. We have changed our own bar of success in our kennel isnt that what everyone is trying to do? My uncle has been raising and breeding hounds for over 40 years and he will tell you the hounds we've got now are so much better than he's ever hunted over his best dog 20 yrs ago wouldnt have a spot in his kennel today. I dont expect everyone to be as crazed about dogs as we are, what we do takes time and alot of effort. I hope everyone enjoys the great outdoors as much as we do its a place to get away from the daily grind and relax.

I hope that this didnt come off arrogant as I read back over it thats the way it sounded to me if it comes off that way it wasnt my intention I dont believe I'm any smarter or better at this than the next guy just probably more stubborn. Like I said before I dont believe there is a secret just have to have a thick skull and dedicate time to doing it. The pursuit of the perfect hound is half the fun of being in this sport. My wife says I'm wired differently than the common person, I have a competitive nature that ends at nothing. I once ran 34 miles for the relay for life because someone told me I couldnt beat the local record. Well I did by 3 miles and then couldnt walk for 3 days my feet were raw and ankles were swollen!!! Yea I know pretty smart right! Thats also what drives me to better my hounds every day the refusal to lose....


Good luck and happy hunting

[mobeagle]

The mythical jump dog. Wierd that 90% of them are dead. Guess the hound world is going in the wrong direction. May ruffle some feathers but if you think it's something big to own two or three in a lifetime your breeding program needs some improvement. I've been chasing hounds as far back as my memory allows and have seen ALOT of true jump dogs, whether it be coon dogs, coyote dogs, or beagles I've seen them all. There's a serious over exaggeration of the mythical "jump dog" like it has super dog powers that only come out every 3000 years. Don't tell me I've never seen one because if I had I'd know what everyones talking about. I hunt coon, coyotes and rabbits all with dogs and have since I was old enough to walk. I've owned and hunted over so many dogs.... I've seen some great ones and I've seen some real bad ones. I've heard this junk so many times there was even a time I dreamed off into lala land and bought into the idea of the mythical jump dog, had a couple I even declared as such and then I sobered up and was honest with myself, yea that dog was one hell of a jump dog but nothing mythical about him just better than the others I've owned. I think the confusion here is that yea duh you'll only own 1 best dog you ever had the one that just done it a little better than anything else you've owned, and thats where people throw their mythical jump dog in. Dont over glorify it, awesome that you have a great jump dog but there's plenty of "true jump dogs" whatever the hell that means?

Do you trial? Like to see a guy show up with a box full and kick everybody's ass on the basis of jump-strikes.

No. My line of expertise (loosely used term there) is the big dogs. Breeding hounds is breeding hounds though. I'm sure someone will argue that just for the sake of arguing but a hound is a hound. I've owned and hunted over several good beagles. Only owned two beagles I'd call good. The rest were trash that were slightly better than stomping on a briar patch, jumping and shooting them yourself. Anyone can breed great hounds. Just have to rid themselves of an ugly disease in the hound world.

KENNEL BLINDNESS- It affect ones abilities to see the flaws in their own dogs and make the proper decision when it comes to culling and breeding.

[jason38]

I have a 3 year old female out of zipper and bottom side goes back to weedeater stock and have a 14 month old pup out of her both are real jump dogs when they bark rabbit is moving........killed 100 or more rabbits off them and two other dogs this year

[JCM]

The mythical jump dog. Wierd that 90% of them are dead. Guess the hound world is going in the wrong direction. May ruffle some feathers but if you think it's something big to own two or three in a lifetime your breeding program needs some improvement.

Great point. If every time I ran one dog was so much better at jumping rabbits than all of the others, what does that say about my kennel? Or if I went and ran with someone and they had such a great jump dog that my dogs couldn't jump any rabbits, I would be mad as ... Not at them, but at myself for having such pitiful dogs. Then I would probably start trying to figure out how to get some of their breeding in my kennel.

I agree with you mobeagle and it's my opinion too, if every time you run, one dog jumps almost all of the rabbits, you better quit making excuses and start culling.

[BCBeagles]

Agreeing with Mobeagle and JCM. If ALL my hounds aren't looking hard and contributing, why would they benefit me and why are they any kind of example of a beagle. I have hunted with some hard hunting hounds, when multiples of them were on the ground one did not stand out as the "true Jump dog". They all looked like heck for a rabbit to run!!!

If two rabbits are jumped on one day of hard hunting and one dog jumps them both are they the jump dog? Next time you go another pack member does this, jump dog?