Cool article.... Do dogs hunt better full or hungry?

[Mo. Beagler 5000]

YOU CANT FEED A DOG DESIRE, THEY HAVE IT OR THEY DONT.

Thats not the point of the article....or the post. It is seeing if the "desire" is enhanced with or without food....


I think giving a dog some electrolytes and maybe a bit of peanut butter before a long days hunt may not be abad idea.. It was just a cool article I found interesting..

IMO it is the same, sorry if you dont think so. Just like where i work, there's the people that eat their 5 or 6 small meals a day, salads, fruits, veggies, broiled chicken, dont drink soda, have memberships to the gym, and i will work my 12 hours and on my way home stop for 2 Big Macs and fries and work them under the table every day of the week. You either got it or you dont.

So there is never any day that you produce less or more? Its always the exact same... I don't know what your job is but you don't think eating healthy and maybe doing some cardio would help you perform even higher?? Thats kinda crazy.... There are things we can do to our dogs to make them better at what they do... Give em good food, water, shelter, get em out more, socialize them etc... This article just gives us one more understanding of canine biology.. It may not even correlate with running dogs but I guarantee you your dogs wouldn't perform as well if you never wormed them and fed them half of what they needed or triple what they do need...

[DIXIEDOG]

I can tell you the dog that didn't eat a full meal just before getting ready to leave for a hunt doesn't crap in the dog box.

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

A hungry Lion Hunts his Hardest. A ol wise man Wayne Waits told me that 20 years ago.All i know is once i eat i get sorta lazy, btw did not read the article just speaaking from the heart.

[likeemfast]

[/quote]MO beagler 5000 wrote
So there is never any day that you produce less or more? Its always the exact same... I don't know what your job is but you don't think eating healthy and maybe doing some cardio would help you perform even higher?? Thats kinda crazy.... There are things we can do to our dogs to make them better at what they do... Give em good food, water, shelter, get em out more, socialize them etc... This article just gives us one more understanding of canine biology.. It may not even correlate with running dogs but I guarantee you your dogs wouldn't perform as well if you never wormed them and fed them half of what they needed or triple what they do need...[/quote]

Mo. 5000, ......... If i performed higher they could get rid of everyone else, , I remember when i was a kid, played in summer heat for hour upon hour without a drink, coming home from the ball field would stop by cemetary and grab a drink from the water spigot and head home. Today, ..... Johnny and Billy cant run up the soccer field once without needing a drink and a snack. Most kids today are softer (in more ways than one) than they were 25 years ago. Same with hounds. The good ones with the desire you can throw 3 uncooked hotdogs and hunt em all day and he will produce. Maybe you just need to feed the Billys and Johnnys of beagle world before a hunt, mine eat once a day which is at night. Was a nicely written article, per say, but a waste of time of a study and money, IMO.

[mike crabtree]

likeemfast,
Ill bet your dad didnt have to do much to keep Ole Squeek interested did he ??

[likeemfast]

likeemfast,
Ill bet your dad didnt have to do much to keep Ole Squeek interested did he ??

Mike, Thats the problem, its dogs like Squeek and a few others we've had that have us spoiled. He's one of the ones where i speak of when i said you "cant feed a dog desire" they either have it or not, AND HE DEFINITELY HAD IT and would run every day on mashed potatoes if that's what he was fed. I still miss "Ole Squeek"

[lebro]

. Was a nicely written article, per say, but a waste of time of a study and money, IMO.[/quote]
amen brother. the state of the economy and this is what our money is spent on. they should study how to get people pff welfare by feeding them 3 squares a day or let them be hungry.

[likeemfast]

........ Lebro, so true

[TickTownBriarBuster]

I agree with the guys who say you cant feed them desire, they either have it or they don't. For example I have a male beagle that will soon be 10 years old, I turned him loose day before yesterday and ran him for over 8 hours one rabbit track after another and he never quit. I never had to go in the briars to jump him one rabbit and when it got late and I called him off the last track as I headed back to the kennels he was still hunting his brains out in and out of every brush pile all the way to the barn. Hounds like him just have the heart and they are few and far between imo. Been trying to find one all season to replace him had no luck yet. I refuse to wade the briars to jump rabbits, that is why I have dogs. Although I believe nutrition is very important desire to hunt comes from genetics not feeding schedule. Happy Hunting and God Bless!!!!!!!

[Mo. Beagler 5000]

likemfast--- lets take a look at one of your other posts..... you are either lying on this post or the other post.. not sure which.

Re: taste of the wild or blue bufflo feeds anybody tried it

Unread postby likeemfast » Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:21 pm
Fed them both for over a year each, Blue Buffalo 1st then TOTW for a year after that. Fed Purina HI Pro before that and dogs had no stamina for all day hunts every day. Dogs did great on both feeds you mentioned, less stool, good energy, but when they almost hit $45 a bag i switched to Diamond Naturals Chicken and Rice. I have been feeding Diamond for 4 years right thru the last recall (some TOTW recalled too during that) and dogs are doing just as good as they were on Blue Buffalo and TOTW. I did not use the salmon blend at all. Only thing i see different is the amount of stool and that's due to higher ash content in Diamond Naturals. I also don't run June July and August when kids are off school (keeps the peace at home for the other 9 months of the year) and dogs maintain their weight on all three, bloated up on Purina. JMO, hope it helps.

Why didn't you just feed em mashed potatoes then...??? Because apparently squeak could go all day with no trouble or maybe the dogs with no stamina just sucked... So in one post, "they just have it and there is NOTHING you can do to make your dogs better and here you say, my dogs did not have stamina to get the job done.. You cannot have it both ways... not that the article dealt with the type of food just when they get it. Maybe if you woulda fed em before a hunt they woulda had stamina. maybe not but its god to know there are options.... or maybe ill just go buy potatoes..

. Was a nicely written article, per say, but a waste of time of a study and money, IMO.

amen brother. the state of the economy and this is what our money is spent on. they should study how to get people pff welfare by feeding them 3 squares a day or let them be hungry.[/quote]

You do realize the government did not fund this study right? And as it being a complete waste of time. I am sure dog trainers will train dogs differently as a result. Prob not beagles but labs and bird dogs more than likely... This is what we call progress in society. Sure its not a homerun or curing cancer but it will save people time and effort when training their dog which makes life more fun. I guess i feel bad for you that you can't see the value in things like these...

[likeemfast]

likemfast--- lets take a look at one of your other posts..... you are either lying on this post or the other post.. not sure which.

Re: taste of the wild or blue bufflo feeds anybody tried it

Unread postby likeemfast » Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:21 pm
Fed them both for over a year each, Blue Buffalo 1st then TOTW for a year after that. Fed Purina HI Pro before that and dogs had no stamina for all day hunts every day. Dogs did great on both feeds you mentioned, less stool, good energy, but when they almost hit $45 a bag i switched to Diamond Naturals Chicken and Rice. I have been feeding Diamond for 4 years right thru the last recall (some TOTW recalled too during that) and dogs are doing just as good as they were on Blue Buffalo and TOTW. I did not use the salmon blend at all. Only thing i see different is the amount of stool and that's due to higher ash content in Diamond Naturals. I also don't run June July and August when kids are off school (keeps the peace at home for the other 9 months of the year) and dogs maintain their weight on all three, bloated up on Purina. JMO, hope it helps.

Why didn't you just feed em mashed potatoes then...??? Because apparently squeak could go all day with no trouble or maybe the dogs with no stamina just sucked... So in one post, "they just have it and there is NOTHING you can do to make your dogs better and here you say, my dogs did not have stamina to get the job done.. You cannot have it both ways... not that the article dealt with the type of food just when they get it. Maybe if you woulda fed em before a hunt they woulda had stamina. maybe not but its god to know there are options.... or maybe ill just go buy potatoes..

. Was a nicely written article, per say, but a waste of time of a study and money, IMO.

amen brother. the state of the economy and this is what our money is spent on. they should study how to get people pff welfare by feeding them 3 squares a day or let them be hungry.

You do realize the government did not fund this study right? And as it being a complete waste of time. I am sure dog trainers will train dogs differently as a result. Prob not beagles but labs and bird dogs more than likely... This is what we call progress in society. Sure its not a homerun or curing cancer but it will save people time and effort when training their dog which makes life more fun. I guess i feel bad for you that you can't see the value in things like these...[/quote]

Mo5000, NOPE I STAND BY EVERY WORD I TYPED, and i dont have a hound now like "Squeak" either or a couple others like i use to have. Their not bad, but aint no Squeak (i think Mike could vouch for Squeaks ability to probably run on potatoes too). I also never said i dont feed a quality feed, i said, "YOU CANT FEED A DOG DESIRE". I also worm my hounds with ivomec and panacure on a schedule too, along with yearly lyme disease shots. That particular post someone asked for a opinion of those feeds and since ive fed them i gave a reply. The old Purina Hi Pro, my hounds packed on pounds the months i was keeping the peace at home, hence the switch to feeds that didnt bloat them. The TOTW, Blue Buffalo and Diamond keep them in good shape in the off months. That has nothing to do with DESIRE tho, and the need to feed hounds before you hunt them. So if you want to get down on your knees and give your hounds electrolytes and smear peanut butter in their mouths before you run them, .... go ahead. I will stick to feeding mine once a day which is at night.

Oh yeah, one more thing. Stamina and Desire have different meanings. if you dont know the difference let me know and i will explain that to you too. Thanks for your interest in my posts tho, keep reading, you might learn something.

[Newt]

likemfast--- lets take a look at one of your other posts..... you are either lying on this post or the other post.. not sure which.

Re: taste of the wild or blue bufflo feeds anybody tried it



You do realize the government did not fund this study right? And as it being a complete waste of time. I am sure dog trainers will train dogs differently as a result. Prob not beagles but labs and bird dogs more than likely... This is what we call progress in society. Sure its not a homerun or curing cancer but it will save people time and effort when training their dog which makes life more fun. I guess i feel bad for you that you can't see the value in things like these...

Who funded the study?

A saw an infomercial, a lady on TV warning parents as to the dangers of vaccinating their children. Another group was selling potients to treat the desease that the vacine would have prevented, if it had been used.

[Mo. Beagler 5000]

likemfast--- lets take a look at one of your other posts..... you are either lying on this post or the other post.. not sure which.

Re: taste of the wild or blue bufflo feeds anybody tried it

Unread postby likeemfast » Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:21 pm
Fed them both for over a year each, Blue Buffalo 1st then TOTW for a year after that. Fed Purina HI Pro before that and dogs had no stamina for all day hunts every day. Dogs did great on both feeds you mentioned, less stool, good energy, but when they almost hit $45 a bag i switched to Diamond Naturals Chicken and Rice. I have been feeding Diamond for 4 years right thru the last recall (some TOTW recalled too during that) and dogs are doing just as good as they were on Blue Buffalo and TOTW. I did not use the salmon blend at all. Only thing i see different is the amount of stool and that's due to higher ash content in Diamond Naturals. I also don't run June July and August when kids are off school (keeps the peace at home for the other 9 months of the year) and dogs maintain their weight on all three, bloated up on Purina. JMO, hope it helps.

Why didn't you just feed em mashed potatoes then...??? Because apparently squeak could go all day with no trouble or maybe the dogs with no stamina just sucked... So in one post, "they just have it and there is NOTHING you can do to make your dogs better and here you say, my dogs did not have stamina to get the job done.. You cannot have it both ways... not that the article dealt with the type of food just when they get it. Maybe if you woulda fed em before a hunt they woulda had stamina. maybe not but its god to know there are options.... or maybe ill just go buy potatoes..

. Was a nicely written article, per say, but a waste of time of a study and money, IMO.

amen brother. the state of the economy and this is what our money is spent on. they should study how to get people pff welfare by feeding them 3 squares a day or let them be hungry.

You do realize the government did not fund this study right? And as it being a complete waste of time. I am sure dog trainers will train dogs differently as a result. Prob not beagles but labs and bird dogs more than likely... This is what we call progress in society. Sure its not a homerun or curing cancer but it will save people time and effort when training their dog which makes life more fun. I guess i feel bad for you that you can't see the value in things like these...

Mo5000, NOPE I STAND BY EVERY WORD I TYPED, and i dont have a hound now like "Squeak" either or a couple others like i use to have. Their not bad, but aint no Squeak (i think Mike could vouch for Squeaks ability to probably run on potatoes too). I also never said i dont feed a quality feed, i said, "YOU CANT FEED A DOG DESIRE", and i can out work the 5-6 small meal a day, nonsoda drinking, gym membership people i work with eating a couple big macs and fries after my shift. I also worm my hounds with ivomec and panacure on a schedule too. That particular post someone asked for a opinion of those feeds and since ive fed them i gave a reply. The old Purina Hi Pro, my hounds packed on pounds the months i was keeping the peace at home, hence the switch to feeds that didnt bloat them. The TOTW, Blue Buffalo and Diamond keep them in good shape in the off months. That has nothing to do with DESIRE tho, and the need to feed hounds before you hunt them. So if you want to get down on your knees and give your hounds electrolytes and smear peanut butter in their mouths before you run them, .... go ahead. I will stick to feeding mine once a day which is at night.[/quote]

Thats my whole point!! No where did or or the article say you could "feed you dog desire"... Just that "what" and possibly, "when", we feed them can affect performance (maybe)... If it doesn't when you feed em then why do you just do it at night? why not twice one day none the next? or at any random time? Dogs will still run a rabbit in any of the cases described but they may or may not run better if you feed em once a day or twice a day or whatever.... Thats why these studies are good. If they proved beyond a doubt feeding your dog at 428pm every other day produced more champions than any other way, I bet most people would start feeding at 4:28... Lots and lots of people give their hounds dog forte, peanut butter, gatorade, cheese, or a little piece of whatever before a hunt and thinks it helps.. Why not try to figure it out conclusively instead of just guessing?


NEWT-- University of Kentucky funded the study-- Probably through a private grant. If it was a public funded grant, usually it would have mentioned it in the abstract. It doesn't actually say in this one. Behavioural Processes Volume 91, Issue 3, November 2012, Pages 313–317

[adirondackjoe]

so i asked my vet. he said they would run better with some food in there stomach. not a giant meal, but a good breakfast. more stamina, etc. over the years i've tried both ways and they seem to last a little longer with some food in there bellies though i can't say for sure. it certainly doesn't seem to slow them down any.

[Owl Creek]

I know if I go all day and don't eat I sure lose my desire. I am thinking all day long where is the best place to get a couple hot dogs?
Mark~

LOL, i can see we think alike.