Decline in ARHA

[Pyzon24]

Good post Jim. I agree with you. I believe there is more bad judging out there, then there is cheating going on. Some of these guys just don't know any better. They are not yet hounds man. I can live with that. Because there is always hope they will get better. A cheat I have no hope for.
I also think hoy runoff would help spice things back up.

[Pine Mt Beagles]

First off The very first thing I said was there are some really good judge's out there,and ,that is a fact ,the sad part is the rest of the post is also true.

My post was not aimed at any single judge or oranization at all ,It was purley meant as an oservation,of a couple year of running hound's in several different area's.



Re: Decline in ARHA
by rabbitearl » Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:45 am

Thats the reason i like two couple pack.Its your 4 dogs.Now run him and stay on him.

Rabbitearl
If My post had any influence on the statement you made above ,I truly appologze that was definately not my intent,
You will meet somne really good people ,and possably life long friend's --(( LIke Me and JImbo )) we most likely would have never met, if ,we did not share the love for these little hound's.

I highly recomend Hunt's and trial's for every one you will get to observe many different blood lines and running style hound's meet many breader's and trainer's.

Just be optmistic -enjoy the fellow ship and hound man ship .......But --If you are very competitive -you are in for a lot dissapointment's ,let down's (( not to mention the cost of this endevor ))and not to metion self infliced stress.

Have fun --God Bless
and most of all --->

Keep'em Running.

[rabbitearl]

Not at all pine.I love the fellowship.that the biggest reason I do 6 or 7 trials A year.having one this sat.Free BBQ hog to go with it.(If I don t get rain out).I used to do ARHA was the pres of the club for three years.Just got heart broken after the 3hd year.Had a guy that drove 900 miles to get here and went buy 7 different trials to do that and only thing he was after was a young club that didnot have a champion and he was going to bring his 3 so he can make one gran ch but lost cause he got surprise from someone eles and nearbout cuss us all out that day cause he lost.I remember he call me up the week befor the trial and ask.How many ch dogs do yall have.I said NONE.That was what he was wanted to hear.The club went under that day.Abunch of nice guys trying to do a trial, didnot run in the trial, care for only the outside hunters that day and realize alot are in it for the points and don t care about a young club or fellowship.I call ARHA about this and they said they would look in it but never did and on top of that this guy was in the maz a couple of month later for being a good houndman.Really!And after looking at his so call ch dogs.I think it was a joke.That the reason I like two couple pack dogs.The dogs don t lie when running the rabbit.Thers alot that cannot (even Me) put for dogs together.I would say this so call houndmen that we had to meet,could not come close to put 4 dog together.That was 20 years ago and never been to another ARHA trial.Come to think about it.Nobody from my club has never been to another ARHA trial.That was a bad day to Arha trials that day.

Now when I do a trial and have someone like that.You hit the highway and don t comeback.Not put him in the MAZ for being a good houndman cause he has a bunch of FC.That was a slap in our face.

[lebro]

first trial i judged at i think 3rd round that day, i was out by myself judging two dogs, baby rabbits were everywhere.handler A had a dog that would start a race from a pile of honeysuckle. handler B had a dog that was in the honeysuckle also, the handlers were on trail 50 yards away. the race would last about 50 yards then stop dead track. handlers trusted me to handle dogs and keep hunting because it was thick and hard to get around. dog a got positive strike 3 times and b got it 1 time. i was using common sense and knew we were in baby rabbits not wanting to minus a dog that could run a rabbit, just had hard time with baby rabbit.i thought handler b was going to thing i was screwing him by not minusing a but it was just opposite handler a thought i screwed him because he wanted jumps. he was very verbal about it. this will cause a decline faster than anything in my opinion. it is not bad judging just because you dont agree.most judges ive seen do their best but you can not get everything with these dogs they are too fast. lets find a way to fix it besides beating up on judges. i myself am very guilty of thanking a judge for running through the briars drawing blood, tripping ,falling down, literally torturing their selves then telling my buddies how it could have been judged different. im sorry and will work on this.

[toldyouso]

Listen the only way to fix this and i mean arha. Go to the top with a large number of people not just one and they will be forced to listen or just blow you off and if they do number two why would you want to give your time and money to them. I was kicked out of arha BROKE NO RULES just placed my opinion that everyone agree with. This was two years ago. I have had several great friends ask me about entering back into arha want me to crawl beg and apoligize. For What i ask ? From Jeff Hayes to Tony upton to mike conti Mike weaver brian passmore and i could go on and on. When i believe that we as a group of people r so much stronger then trying to make change by yourself. Until we organize as a group of houndsman to save what we all love and Will slowly die. Thats just what i believe and i would go back in a heart beat but i will not ask to be reinstated i feel they need to reinstate me. Dont have to apoligize dont have to admitt anyone was right or wrong just send me a letter of reinstatement just like when they sent a letter of kicking me to the curb. BUT i bet this will not happen I DO NOT think they really care. And that breaks my heart.

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Hey Frank i bet thats not the first time ya had your heart broke is it? Jimmie Abshire.

[toldyouso]

Nope it is not. I already knew where they stood. They just didnt think anyone would say anything. I heard you have to pay for banquit tickets this year do u know if thats true or not Jimmy.

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

I have inducted 2 dogs and have yet to ever show up, as a matter of fact Junie is going back in this year. I wont be there again.However i wouldnt think thats correct frank. Ya know all of us old cats help build this deal, i really think there is a need for some fresh ideals. The years of us judging every round and competing are past tense. I quit showing for personal reasons one being expense, to travel and compete at a level ya gotta be at. But not to say i cant compete with my dogs i just simply dont have the Money or Fire too. Jcm brings a pretty valid point about the runoff it was awfully fun to witness and hang out. Once i lost my life long friends like jay painter wayne waits and earl bruner has all but quit.I simply just dont know many of the younger crowd. But as always anytime you entice or sweeten the pot it draws a crowd. There are some nice hounds out there, as for me thats the ones i wanna draw.It seems like long ago there was alot more for us too accomplish at one time this org was growing like a weed. Ireally dont think much has changed other than the fact our day has come and gone. Kinda sucks once we figure it out we cant do nothing with it.

[Shady Grove Beagles]

In 1995 I moved to Tn. and joined an A.R.H.A. club and started hitting the trials pretty regular.Guys at the club encouraged me to get my judges license as we always needed judges.I did and it ended up that at every trial i went to there was always a lack of judges or at least a lack of judges who WOULD judge! It ended up that I was judging 4 and sometimes 5 casts at a hunt.I was 45 years old at the time and it was rough on me as I gave it all to stay with the dogs and get the score.Many times I was paying for my own hound to be entered but had to send them with somebody as they just HAD to have a judge to send out a finals cast etc.I then was encouraged to get my Master of Hounds license which I did.Shortly after that I had two stents put in for a 99% blockage to my heart and I quit judging.You know that guys gave me crap about not judging anymore? At the Tn. State years back a young guy from Ohio that was considered a bigshot cussed me out and threatened to fight me after giving his dog a minus.Good grief! I was old enough to be his dad.
I have two females that are pretty nice dogs and i went to several trials where they quickly championed out.That was almost three years ago and haven't been to a A.R.H.A. trial since.Sour grapes? No.At 62 just don't want the aggravation anymore.

[toldyouso]

yea its like we r headed for the sunset. I guess thats just the way it is. Just never thought i would see the end but your right the end is very close time to hand it over to new blood. Since we r able to figure this out why cant they and you know who they are.

[Pine Mt Beagles]

I joined the ARHA in the early 80"s--Myself and -3- other guy's started the K.T.V.--In Tenn.I had been running midwest at the time,and for several year's ,,I judged ,run hound's ,was Master of Hound's ,judged Bench show's, I actually worked some with E. Morgan on some of the Bench show rules .He was running dog's in my pen ,at the time,I have about 3 year's of the old Black and white Rabbit Hunter monthly magazines ,I have left Hair ,Blood and Skin in many a briar patch ,judging just to get cussed out at the end of it,But ,my thing was and still is about the Hound's ,Not The owner when judging ,I don't want to knw who own's the dog,or what it has won before ,Because that don't matter to me ,The only thing I'am interested in is the end of the lead rope ,where the snap is,and what it does.While I'am watching it.
I am very slow to call some one a Good Hounds Man ,I consider it a high Compliment to say that guy is a good hound's man.I have ever considered my self to be a ,Good Hound's man I just love the little dog's.It does really bother me ,to see a Good Hound Cheated ,or over looked and a ,sorry hound promoted .But what is worse for Me as A BREEDER ,is when a hound get's promoted Just Because some one spend's a ton of money on it ,and it get's bred a bunch of time's ,,and -Maybe-1-pup out of 25 or so is just average -at best-that don't help the breed as a whole.

Great post guy's Thank's for havin it.and

Keep'em Running

[madcatter]

Bad judgeing, guys complaining to master of hounds.
I been to about 8 arha trails and everyone of them had someone wanting/ needing to get the scorecards changed by complaining back at the clubhouse.

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

I just want anyone thinking of getting involed, its pretty fun to meet new folks and see what everyone else is packing. Some of these stories are coming from years and years of being out there. Ya aint heard about the good only the Bad. This Old world is changing and so are the trials- Give Em a try.

[holeshot kennel]

lots of good ideas but why would anybody that is so unhappy with a registry waste their time posting ideas how to fix it why not take your perfect ideas and start your own perfect registry i had a boss tell me one time "if you are so smart then why are u working for me and not the other way around" whats the "perfect" answer to that question use the time u spend bitching about arha to start your own then let the critics come down on you.thank you everett morgan,merle crain,bill bredemeir,ron eades, for the time and money you spent forming little pack

[bigdog]

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