Victor dog food.

[warddog]

Rowco, there is no arguement. I say pricing is diff because Victors plant is based out of Texas and the distance of shipping might make a diff or that certain vendor might be price gouging too. Idk?

Wardog, I will try to get out by what I'm meaning in another way.
Example... I've rode in Ford's, Chevys, and Dodges. They all have basically the same components to make them work the same way. They all to the same thing. They all get you from point a to point b. But yet they all vary in price. So why do certain people prefer one over the other. I personally choose Chevy. Why. Trial and error. And in that Chevy is what I use to go pick up my Victor dog food.

Again I'm not saying your research is wrong, I'm just trying to say if it's the same as others, I've had better results with it.

I understand that folks are pleased with what they may be feeding and I have never stated anything otherwise that would knock a person's personal opinion of what they feed as some seem to have thought. Many are pleased with what they feed and that is their opinion to which I honor. Many have opined that corn is NOT digestible in dog feed or that the first two or three ingredients determine the quality of the dog food, etc. when the ingredient labels show point blank that they all contain the very same basic ingredients. All I have tried to point out is that any meat MEAL is the same regardless of the species and the protein/fat is derived from a combination of the entire ingredients as a whole to total up the percentages shown on the dry feed label. Is there differences in the quality of the ingredients that manufacturers use? YES, and when one sees a manufacturer get caught using cheap ingredients from China that contain chemicals that are known toxins then I would say there is a big difference there BUT if it were any kind of MEAL, the meal is meal and where this problem came from was the fact that it wasn't an ingredient in and of itself but rather one that had been contaminated with something not even used in the process of manufacturing of dog food. I would suppose that this manufacturer had been using the ingredient from China so as to buy it cheaper and make more profit off the end product as we as consumers did NOT have a clue this was happening until they got caught by deaths of dogs having eaten this brand and it was traced back to the culprit. Did this manufacturer bother to tell customers that they were using ingredients from China? NO! Were they mandated to? NO! Are they mandated to even do so with the meat/ poultry on your grocery store shelves right now today? NO! MY sole intent in all of this is merely to educate consumers and NOT knock or pitch any specific brand. If you like, trust and are satisfied with what you pay for feed for your dogs then by all means it's your thing, do what you wanna do BUT for me the $700.00 per year difference could be the difference in my family eating a "T" bone one meal in lieu of Hot dogs for two meals.

[warddog]

Rowco, there is no arguement. I say pricing is diff because Victors plant is based out of Texas and the distance of shipping might make a diff or that certain vendor might be price gouging too. Idk?

Wardog, I will try to get out by what I'm meaning in another way.
Example... I've rode in Ford's, Chevys, and Dodges. They all have basically the same components to make them work the same way. They all to the same thing. They all get you from point a to point b. But yet they all vary in price. So why do certain people prefer one over the other. I personally choose Chevy. Why. Trial and error. And in that Chevy is what I use to go pick up my Victor dog food.

Again I'm not saying your research is wrong, I'm just trying to say if it's the same as others, I've had better results with it.

I understand that folks are pleased with what they may be feeding and I have never stated anything otherwise that would knock a person's personal opinion of what they feed as some seem to have thought. Many are pleased with what they feed and that is their opinion to which I honor. Many have opined that corn is NOT digestible in dog feed or that the first two or three ingredients determine the quality of the dog food, etc. when the ingredient labels show point blank that they all contain the very same basic ingredients. All I have tried to point out is that any meat MEAL is the same regardless of the species and the protein/fat is derived from a combination of the entire ingredients as a whole to total up the percentages shown on the dry feed label. Is there differences in the quality of the ingredients that manufacturers use? YES, and when one sees a manufacturer get caught using cheap ingredients from China that contain chemicals that are known toxins then I would say there is a big difference there BUT if it were any kind of MEAL, the meal is meal and where this problem came from was the fact that it wasn't an ingredient in and of itself but rather one that had been contaminated with something not even used in the process of manufacturing of dog food. I would suppose that this manufacturer had been using the ingredient from China so as to buy it cheaper and make more profit off the end product as we as consumers did NOT have a clue this was happening until they got caught by deaths of dogs having eaten this brand and it was traced back to the culprit. Did this manufacturer bother to tell customers that they were using ingredients from China? NO! Were they mandated to? NO! Are they mandated to even do so with the meat/ poultry on your grocery store shelves right now today? NO! MY sole intent in all of this is merely to educate consumers and NOT knock or pitch any specific brand. If you like, trust and are satisfied with what you pay for feed for your dogs then by all means it's your thing, do what you wanna do BUT for me the $700.00 per year difference could be the difference in my family eating a "T" bone one meal in lieu of Hot dogs for two meals. I am now done with these type posts as I have stated facts and consumers can do as they so desire. BY THE WAY I wished I wasn't so lazy as I would like to try feeding raw but then again I've yet to find chicken leg quarters cheaper than what I can buy dry feed when I do so by the pallet. I have found them on sale for .54 per pound BUT that was some time ago as I now see them at $.74 most generally.

[rinkydink]

Casey h

How much do you feed per dog per serving ???

Tom aka rinkydink

[Casey Harner]

Casey h

How much do you feed per dog per serving ???

Tom aka rinkydink

I feed 2 cups to each dog twice a day right now in this cold weather.

[BB Beagles]

I been feeding mine just 2 cups daily.
In warmer months I feed around 1 1/2 cup.
Hounds been doing good on it.

[Slaux]

War dog, thanks for the informative and non biased posts. Keep it up!!!

[JUDE]

War dog, thanks for the informative and non biased posts. Keep it up!!!

Agreed to those who want to be helped and from what I've seen through experimentation ,Warddog has a
lot to offer.

[BB Beagles]

VICTOR, have had good results with it.

[big creek kennel]

I was feeding Pride in the orange bag and pro plan.
Always searching for a better feed I tried Victor 30/20
and have no plans of buying anything else but Victor. The
Ingredients ,ratings , less stools and overall condition of
my hounds have sold me.

[warddog]

One last FACTUAL post about folks getting the bang for their buck so to speak on dog food. A few days ago I contacted my dog food supplier that I have bought from for probably 10 years as I am down to my last two bags from my annual pallet or ton. I buy it by the ton so as to get a break on the price. I have been feeding ********** 24/20 for the past 4 to 5 years. My supplier quoted me a price of $860.28 per ton or fourty 50 pound bags. That makes my bulk price of $21.50 per 50 pounds including the tax. They are having a sales promotion and are giving a .50 per bag discount this month so that brings my ton price down to $840.28 or $21.00 including tax per 50 pounds. I checked with them to see if they handled Victor 24/20 so I could compare apples to apples in lieu of apples to oranges and found out that they do. My supplier gave me a bulk discount price on the Victor of $34.47 per bag for 40 or more bags. Now keep in mind that the brand I buy is 50 pound bags and the Victor is 40 pound bags so I would need 50 bags of the Victor to make my 2000lb ton purchase. 50 bags of the 24/20 red bag Victor would then cost me $1723.50 per ton and what I normally feed of ******** brand would cost me $840.28. I don't know about you and I'm no rocket scientist BUT I can sure see that I cannot afford to feed my hounds a feed that cost me $883.22 more for the basic same ingredients. Putting a pencil to the figures it further shows me that I can feed the same amount of dogs the same quantity of ********* BRAND for two years and still have $42.94 left over for my family to have a good hamburger in lieu of bologna. That's what I'm talkin about when I say the bang for the buck! About the only way anyone could convince me that this difference in price and quality was such is that if those turds were lined in gold as the price of the dog food sure is. AGAIN, NOT knocking one brand or pitching for another as I will switch the brand I feed in a heart beat if the price gets out of hand and have done so, many times. As soon as my dealer gets my pallet in I will go buy the same ole stuff I've been feeding but now I absolutely know the difference it would cost me personally. I do wish I was NOT so lazy as I would feed raw BUT actually the cheapest I can find chicken leg quarters for is about $.74 per pound for 10 pound packages at WalMart and my time/effort in preparing them accounts for something so in MY case I don't find it any bang for my buck either as I'm going to have to clean up poop whether it is solid turds or a little looser turds. Turds is turds.

[Tuff-E-Nuff]

Red Bag Victor here is $29.75 for 40lb bag

[Crow]

One last FACTUAL post about folks getting the bang for their buck so to speak on dog food. A few days ago I contacted my dog food supplier that I have bought from for probably 10 years as I am down to my last two bags from my annual pallet or ton. I buy it by the ton so as to get a break on the price. I have been feeding ********** 24/20 for the past 4 to 5 years. My supplier quoted me a price of $860.28 per ton or fourty 50 pound bags. That makes my bulk price of $21.50 per 50 pounds including the tax. They are having a sales promotion and are giving a .50 per bag discount this month so that brings my ton price down to $840.28 or $21.00 including tax per 50 pounds. I checked with them to see if they handled Victor 24/20 so I could compare apples to apples in lieu of apples to oranges and found out that they do. My supplier gave me a bulk discount price on the Victor of $34.47 per bag for 40 or more bags. Now keep in mind that the brand I buy is 50 pound bags and the Victor is 40 pound bags so I would need 50 bags of the Victor to make my 2000lb ton purchase. 50 bags of the 24/20 red bag Victor would then cost me $1723.50 per ton and what I normally feed of ******** brand would cost me $840.28. I don't know about you and I'm no rocket scientist BUT I can sure see that I cannot afford to feed my hounds a feed that cost me $883.22 more for the basic same ingredients. Putting a pencil to the figures it further shows me that I can feed the same amount of dogs the same quantity of ********* BRAND for two years and still have $42.94 left over for my family to have a good hamburger in lieu of bologna. That's what I'm talkin about when I say the bang for the buck! About the only way anyone could convince me that this difference in price and quality was such is that if those turds were lined in gold as the price of the dog food sure is. AGAIN, NOT knocking one brand or pitching for another as I will switch the brand I feed in a heart beat if the price gets out of hand and have done so, many times. As soon as my dealer gets my pallet in I will go buy the same ole stuff I've been feeding but now I absolutely know the difference it would cost me personally. I do wish I was NOT so lazy as I would feed raw BUT actually the cheapest I can find chicken leg quarters for is about $.74 per pound for 10 pound packages at WalMart and my time/effort in preparing them accounts for something so in MY case I don't find it any bang for my buck either as I'm going to have to clean up poop whether it is solid turds or a little looser turds. Turds is turds.

You dealer isn't cutting you much of a break, I can get that price on 24/20 buying 1 bag. Just so I can say I asked, what do you currently feed. I'm all about "bang for the buck". If it keeps my dogs looking and running good, I'd be glad to save a little money to. So far Victor 26/18 green bag is doing that with the foods I've tried. Like you if I wasn't so lazy I'd feed raw but also like you I can't find the price per pound on legs others can at the ole Wally World and no area butcher shops to speak of. That and my time make it something I choose not to do also. Just curious what you were feeding, you're trying to help folks save money by buying cheaper feed that is of the same quality but I've not saw where you've posted what that is. I understand you're not wanting to endorse any particular brand but surely there is something out there cheaper than you feed, why choose what you have chosen over that? Thanks for the leg work you've put in and the results you've posted.

[nhharris78]

Wardog best find another supplier is all I can say

[warddog]

Ok guys, if the dealer I buy from is too high then I'd like to see what others pay INCLUDING the sales tax. Here we pay 7% on top of the per bag price. Beings I have one that gets it for $29.75 I'll use that one right now. I'd have to add 7% sales tax onto that here which would bring that bag price to $31.83 per 40 pound bag. My ton total cost of the red bag Victor would then be $1591.63. The cost of the brand I feed of the same fat/protein ratio of 24/20 is currently priced at $840.28 tax and all, out the door. Let's see if my math skills serve me well in my old senile age but that still amounts to costing me $751.35 MORE for my annual dog feed purchase. Well, my dealer may not give much of a break on Victor in bulk but I suspect they don't get much to offer from their supplier as I sure get it on the brand that I feed from them. Again I have seen these food companies prey on the unknowing and make packages smaller and prices competitive so consumers will buy their products without putting a pencil to what it actually cost them in the long run. ONE of the major tricks in the Poultry industry is to allow those chickens and or turkeys to soak up more of the water they are soaked in to bring their carcass temperature down to 40 degrees within the time limit they are required to do meet by federal regulation. lets just say that the industry is allowed to absorb 6% water in each turkey carcass they slaughter and in a days time of two shifts they slaughter 40,000 tom turkeys that used to average about 23 pounds but in today they are more like 40 pounds. At an average of 23 pounds per Tom turkey a normal turkey slaughter plant would produce 920,000 pounds of turkeys per day. Of that they are allowed to pick up 6% moisture or water per carcass so that would mean an additional 55,200 pounds which would bring their total yield to 975,200 pounds per day. Just for the ease of discussion lets say Tom turkeys are $1.00 per pound, well it's pretty easy to see that the industry has already made $55,200 per day off of water sold to you as turkey. Now, what would the industry be making should these 40,000 Tom turkeys pick up, say an mere extra 1% water. WELL, the industry would now be making another ADDITIONAL $9,200.00 per day for a total of $64,400.00 for water sold to consumers as TOM TURKEY. These BIG producers operate normally 6 days per week every week and even 7 days prior to Thanksgiving. BUT figuring only a 5 day work week of 260 days slaughtering TOM TURKEYS, knowing they are skipping to the bank with $64,400.00 water gain in lieu of turkey meat the consumer rip off on moisture or water gain consumers are paying for on an annual basis would amount to a whooping $16,640.000.00. I understand I have the price of TOM TURKEYS a little high so just take this last figure and divide it in half which would equal $.50 per pound and that would then be realistic and still be $8,320,000 in cold water that consumers are buying for TOM TURKEY. Just sayin as we are discussing consumers bang for their buck! Don't think this is a hypothetical situation as I actually found this very thing happening in one of the LARGEST Turkey slaughter giants when I worked for the USDA. They were so good at it when the investigation ended it was found that they even had a seperate set of books for the money made on water or moisture gain!

[BB Beagles]

WARDOG, as I recall you stated " I am now done with these kin of post as I have stated facts and the consumer can do as they desire"
Well I believe they are! The thread was about Victor dog food and what kind of results guys were having with it.
You say you are not bashing no particular brand, but yet you are promoting your feed cause, as you say " they all have the same ingredients I'm just saving the bang for my buck". Well what brand do you feed???? It's gotta be good if you go buy a TON at a time. I'm sure that last bag in your TON is real fresh bag too? Prob chewed mouse holes and full if mouse crap, but I saved myself a bang for my buck!

Ya VICTOR comes in 40lb bags, but I do not have to feed the quantity per serving size that I do with other 50lb bags. Therefore I get more out of the 40 than I do of a 50. WHAT YOU SAY, MY PENCIL FIGURE CANNOT MATHEMATICALLY COME UP WITH GETTING MORE OUT OF A 40 LB BAG THAN A 50!
That's because on my hounds and the way I run them, if I feed EXAMPLE: sport mix cause it comes in 50 lb bag, I have to feed them 2+ cups and they still have trouble holding weight and look and feel poorer. I tried VICTOR and had to back serving size down to 1 1/2-2 cup cause they starting gaining weight on me the way I run them plus they seemed more energetic.

WARDOG I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'm not doubting your background in the science field. I consider you to be knowledgable, BUT! Going on a dog good trial method, VICTOR has had good outcome for me. Also I've said until if or when it changes I will be back on trial and error method.

One more thing, I buy a bag of victor for $29 and some change. You said threw your dealer you get bag of ???? Your stuff for $21 and some change. My hounds work hard for me in the field! I'm not going to let $8 a bag tell me different!