tough conditions tracking

[billy boy]

i'm looking for any bloodlines when it comes to real tough conditions when most hounds can't move the track they can and run in any conditions. alot of people say slower spo hounds but on videos i've seen they also lose the rabbit even running slower. thanks for any advice.

[mybeagles]

Even with all the "right" bloodlines very very very few are bad weather dogs.

There are some Green Bay Shooter dogs out there that can do the job -20 or -30. Those are freaks. I've owned several dogs from same blood that couldn't do much below zero.

When you find hounds that can run in the vast extremes you have extra mouth and various faults in normal conditions.

There are guys that endlessly pursue this type hound. Most that become this style dog take couple years with lots of experience in it.

I paint a dark picture because it's a daunting task filled with frustration and setbacks. Anyone that makes it sound as easy as breeding to their dog be careful.

There are guys on here: Budd, Jim Matezewski, Norwester, mcardery2k, and others that pursue this all the time and will give you straight answers.....good luck!

Go to norwester.proboards.com guys on this sight pursue this style dog and discuss the type information your looking for. Some of the old posts provide a good read with different perspectives on that topic

[Budd]

And when we find such a hound it will never leave our yards, and the thing is 95% of the rest of the beagliers in this world wouldn't touch this dog with a 10 foot pool because of some of the extra baggage that come's with it.
Every state has it's own "toughest of tough" condition's and from my experience there is not a dog out there that I have seen anyhow that can run in them all (hope I'm wrong), your best bet is to find one that can run in your area's toughest condition's and don't worry about what they can do two or three states over.

[Newt]

Billy Boy, where do you live? Are you running Hare or Cottontails.

[billy boy]

i live in south east tn. the temps commonly vary from 20 or more degrees. i run mostly run cottontails. i have i fem. grand of reggie and blueninja bred 2 gay-baker with dingus and 1 fem. donivan creek hummer tadpole and jim dandy bred . on most days they'll run em until they hole but when it turns from 60 degrees to 30 degrees over nite they run up and down sometimes like they smell it but can't pinpoint the line.normally they can fire one up 2 females are seasoned rabbit dogs but on those described days you would'nt even think it was the same dogs running the rabbit !!!

[Househounds]

billy boy,

What you are describing is not only tough conditions but quick changes in conditions. This happen in Michigan and in my limited experience I found my dogs can run in tougher conditions but they can not go from good to bad overnite. They seem to need an few trips to the woods to dial in to the cold when it first hits. I do find as the conditions change in the other direction and get easy to scent they can realy tear it up right away.

I had one that had a cold nose, and even though he was mouthy I new I would miss him in the winter. He died got sick and died sooner then I expected and boy was I right.

[briarhopper]

We dont get nearly ws bad of conditions as described. Have had some -12 without wind chill this year,olso more snow than usual but sure is nothing compared to what some of you guys get. Dogs had no problems. May not been as smooth as usual, but still accounted for their rabbits.

[Shady Grove Beagles]

When I was much younger I hunted in ANY and I do mean ANY conditions.We hunted bear when there were no tracking collars and spent most of the hunt running behind dogs and trying to keep them in hearing.Ran hare at below zero and cottontails when it was close to 90.Coon hunted through some incredible storms when the trees were coming down all around us.
From time to time I hear about these fellows that want that super tough hound that can take a bear or lion track that is several days old and work it up to a jump.Others that want that big nose beagle that can run at -20 below on ice or at 90 above in the dust.The coondog that will stay treed for 24 hours,etc.
I've got some age on me now and I'll share something that I've learned.Hounds that can excell in these very adverse conditions absolutely DO NOT come in bunches.They may not even originate from the same litter,group of like bred family members or the same kennel.I believe they are unique individuals where it has all come together for that one hound.
This hound is a specialist and is totally focused---because of that he may or may not suit you in "regular" conditions.That super snow hound that can run when nobody else can may get his lunch handed to him by another on bare ground when its 50 degrees.That hound that can run it down an asphalt road when it's 90 degrees may boo all over the place on a cool dewey morning.
Truth of it is that at this stage of my hound dogging career I'm not going to go hunting when it's -20 below or 90 above.I don't think I'm getting soft---just more selective!LOL.
The dogs I keep now seem to do a heck of a job between 20 and 75 degrees which suits me just about perfect.

[JCM]

Every state has it's own "toughest of tough" condition's and from my experience there is not a dog out there that I have seen anyhow that can run in them all (hope I'm wrong), your best bet is to find one that can run in your area's toughest condition's and don't worry about what they can do two or three states over.

I agree 100%.

I would try to run with different people in your area or that run similar terrain and conditions. Find a line that is the most like what you are after. Then get some pups, raise them, train them, cull out the ones that don't suit you, breed the best, and then in 10 or 20 or 30 years and a ton of headache and heartache later, you will have just what you are after.

[Rcoff]

If you want a dog that will run in all conditions, then run him in all conditions is my advice. The more time a dog has running in adverse conditions the better he/she will be when the time comes to hunt when those conditions arise. Run your dog when its hot, cold, dry, raining, scent is good, scent is bad, windy etc. it's a lot of work and not many are willing to put in the time, but the end result will be worth it. It's not always in the bloodline. I've taken dogs that people have culled out and made outstanding hunting dogs out of them; you can't buy those dogs from those guys. All I did was run them almost every day. Hope this helps.
Thanks,
Bob

[Dennis Cooke]

When I was much younger I hunted in ANY and I do mean ANY conditions.We hunted bear when there were no tracking collars and spent most of the hunt running behind dogs and trying to keep them in hearing.Ran hare at below zero and cottontails when it was close to 90.Coon hunted through some incredible storms when the trees were coming down all around us.
From time to time I hear about these fellows that want that super tough hound that can take a bear or lion track that is several days old and work it up to a jump.Others that want that big nose beagle that can run at -20 below on ice or at 90 above in the dust.The coondog that will stay treed for 24 hours,etc.
I've got some age on me now and I'll share something that I've learned.Hounds that can excell in these very adverse conditions absolutely DO NOT come in bunches.They may not even originate from the same litter,group of like bred family members or the same kennel.I believe they are unique individuals where it has all come together for that one hound.
This hound is a specialist and is totally focused---because of that he may or may not suit you in "regular" conditions.That super snow hound that can run when nobody else can may get his lunch handed to him by another on bare ground when its 50 degrees.That hound that can run it down an asphalt road when it's 90 degrees may boo all over the place on a cool dewey morning.
Truth of it is that at this stage of my hound dogging career I'm not going to go hunting when it's -20 below or 90 above.I don't think I'm getting soft---just more selective!LOL.
The dogs I keep now seem to do a heck of a job between 20 and 75 degrees which suits me just about perfect.

Dana you hit the nail on the head there. I have had some that did real good in bad conditions, they had some extra on the easy days. I also use to run my beagles when most would stay home. 56 years old now picking my days lol . Running Ninja crossed with Awful Bawlin seems to be working . They got some nose and good foot speed.

Dennis

[transman63]

AJS MILZ can do it. take a look at him .rileys rolling kennels. Has him now.