FC SMOKES CREEK SYRIS McGEE IS IN KENTUCKY!!!!!!

[Ky Beagles]

Thats right, Syris McGee is finally in the state where he finished for his FC title and is standing at stud with Kentucky Beagles. I don't think you will find a more consistant 15" stud going right now, that is producing good solid, hard driving, clean mouthed rabbit hounds. I ran a big male out of him yesterday at the Mid Kentucky trial and made the winners pack with him. He is only 17mos. old and is doing a fantastic job; ask Ralph Saunders, he was there and ran against him!! If you are wanting to take your pack to the next level email or email for my phone number and we can make arrangements for breeding. I will run Syris for you to see, but not for someone to compete against!! Stud fee on Syris is 230.00, due at time of service, and a negative brucelosis test, which will be done by my vet. We are also offering chilled semen on him for the price of 250.00, and this is for the beaglers who do not want the long haul to Kentucky. Email me for my number and I will tell you more about this process. If you are serious about your hounds then you need to come and breed to Syris!!!!

[guest]

What is the breeding of this hound?

[Don L]

How long will Sy be at stud at your kennel

[Ky Beagles]

The breeding on Syris is IFC Branko's Big Sam x Zak's Hanover Kendra. Syris will be at my kennels until at least October of this year.

[Big Dog]

What format did Syris get his Field Champion in? Was it Large Pack on Hare or Midwest Gun Dog?

Big Dog

[Bev]

Pick one, lol! Syris is an AKC FC (Midwest SPO & LP), UKC Hunting Beagle Champion and an ARHA Little Pack Champion. If Rick had had an ounce of initiative, Sy's pretty enough to have finished in Bench or Show, too.

Hear that Rick? Get off your butt and do something with your dawgs!

If our pup (full brother, younger litter) does as well as Little Sy, the 17 month old Jamie's referring to, we will be tickled. Ralph was pretty impressed with him to be as young as he is. Honkin' speed on a drive, good search, nice mouth, built correctly.

[Guest]

from what i hear you should breed to his son blue syris !!!!!! he will out check and out peform his dad big time !!!!!!!!!!!

[Big Dog]

Guest, you just confirmed why you should breed to syris, If he is throwing pups better than himself then that is what you are looking for in a stud dog.

Big Dog

[Ky Beagles]

Big Dog you are absolutely right. When breeding you want to produce better than what you have. Syris is producing great pups, so therefore something must be going right. Little Sy is not up for stud, nor will he be bred at this time....why breed to the product when you can still go to the producer!!!!

[Guest]

if the son is so much better !!!!!! breed to him and the pups will be better yet !!!!! is this why you say you will not run him with another dog !!! because he will get out peformed ???!!!! you said (((( but not for someone to compete against !! }}}}}

[Bev]

That's not an uncommon stipulation for stud dogs. It eliminates the people who just want to run dogs to see how their own stack up from the ones that are serious about breeding. If a person wants to see how their stud prospect runs (how clean, type mouth, temperament, etc) they will be happy for the opportunity to see him perform in the field solo. Some stud owners don't offer it at all. Some so-called prospective clients will ask a stud owner to drop the hound in the field just so they can go back home to their buddies and say "I saw So-and-So run". Can you imagine what a huge waste of time that could be? I wouldn't want it done to me. If my hound were up in years, I wouldn't want it done to him.

With as many wins as this hound has in as many formats as he finished in, it's my humble opinion that he needn't compete nor have to prove himself any longer. The time to stack a hound up against him was those years when he was on the circuit and competing in the trials every weekend. Why should he have to compete now with every tire kicker that comes along? I'm sure if someone is truly serious about breeding to Sy or any other stud for that matter, they will appreciate the willingness of the owner to show the dog period. JMHO.

[Novice]

Bev you are right . but ther could be other honest reasons for someone wanting to run a dog with the perspective stud. such as to see how say the female that you plan to breed stacks or should I say matches up with the stud in question. But this shoulsd be done wll in advance of the breeding and at the stud owners convenience. I only say this because of diffiring opinions on speed controll etc. something that you sometimes can't fathom when they are run solo. dogs run diffirent when braced or packed compared to solo. B7ut that doesn't mean that solo running shouldn't be evaluated as well. On the stud owners side I would think this would also be a possitive as he or she would be abel to evaluate the female that they might be breeding their stud to. I believe that the female has as much to do with the offspring as the stud therefore I would think that this would be an important thing for the the owner of the stud. but I could be wrong here. Anyway just my two cents.

[Ray]

I personnal have seen all three dogs run, sy, sy 2, and wolfman, all together. Rick invited me to his home, had a great time, and ran dogs. I will tell you stright up, sy 2 out ran both older dogs for the time we were out. As I said ~ OLDER DOGS ~. Not to say that either one of them have lost anything with age but how can a thirty year old complete with a nineteen year old. When all was said and done, the last buffalo win was eaten, and the last can was crushed. We took the lady out and breed to sy, and proud of it. I will also disagree with Jamie. He should not have to run sy for anyone. His accomplishments should speek for there selves. Sy shouldn't have to prove anything to anyone ~ HE ALREADY HAS ~. Why risk something happening to the dog, just enjoy him now for what he is, a great gun dog and soon to be reproducer.

Rick, I hope it quits snowing and you come back next month to give me another chance at that little blue dog next month. May be we will be little bit more ready.

Ray

[Ky Beagles]

To the Guest on this board. I will not run Syris with another hound due to the request of his owner Rick Giermata. Why should I throw him down with a hound when he has proven everything there is to prove, if someone just wanted to run with him they had over 50 trials in several different states to do so to see how their hounds stack up against him. I am just offering this hound for stud, for someone who may want to take thier breeding program to the next level. You know if someone offered me a chance to see a stud run solo I think I would rather see that then him running with a bunch of hounds. Just my opinion

[Chris]

I think Novice has a real good point, about looking for more than just solo running ability. It is, however, the stud owner's prerogative to make whatever rules he likes, as it pertains to his hound. It's not for anyone else to decide.

My personal feeling is that I'd never breed one of my good females to a stud that I haven't seen run; both solo and with her. If I couldn't see them down together, then there'd be no diddlin'

I really disagree with Ray, that a field trial champion stud has nothing to prove. Field trial wins aren't the only things that a breeding should be decided upon. To some (me included), field trial wins matter very little. I've been disappointed in the past, when I've assumed that a title always came attached to a good gundog. To me, the ability of the dog, and his ability to reproduce that ability into his pups, are far more important than any trial record.