Don't know that's why I'm asking???

[BB Beagles]

In our area we have a running pen located on public property. The fence was bought with grant money. A akc club had part in helping county and getting grant to put up fence. Akc members had put lock on gate and the county said they could not lock it due to it being public property. A few locals have went out there to run, but been run out of running pen by club members, saying if not member of club, they could not run in pen. Other members of club have said if your hounds are akc reg, they have right to run in pen.

Just trying to get some input on a situation like this. Thanks

[mn_beagleboy]

I wish there is a place like that here. The easiest answer to that is join the club. Go n support it. I'm sure membership should be affordable.

[littlewoody]

Join the club .

[BB Beagles]

That was my answer too, but a buddy of mine tried, and they voted no on letting him join, due to the fact he runs arha LP too. He is a good guy, loves being around all hounds in general. Also had another guy try get in, and he too was denied. First and for most I want good gun dogs, but we do run in LP trials because one,the style of hounds and two, because that's mostly what's around are area without traveling good distance. I do not know much about the different AKC formats ( akc Midwest, akc Midwest SPO, akc PP, akc LP), but I do know this club does run a slower type hound.
I am not at all getting in a format pissing match. I'm just stating what we were told. I myself like being around diff styles of hounds, but mostly what fits me best ( run to catch).

[ironjawdawgs]

That's what I say... join the club, problem solved. Once you are a member you can then have a voice/influence in what goes on within the club.

[Ole Mule]

Since it is on public property talk to the county officials about your rights to use it. If it is built on county property it may now belong to the county open to the public with no restrictions. You just need to push the issue to you get an answer from the county, also you can get the residence of the county involved.

[ironjawdawgs]

That was them who got denied. Might as well as try for yourself.

[foxxy]

goverment grant paid for it
public land
sound like its open to anyone akc or grade doesnt matter

[gwyoung]

Strange that a county would allow this to happen, but seems like they did, with that in mind did the County enter into an agreement with the AKC club about who would control what ? It would be easy to find out! If an agreement exists look at what it says, if no agreement exists and the County simply said " yeah build a pen if you want to" then you would be capable of participating in any activity that others are enjoying. Keep in mind that not all public property ( federal, State, county, city ) is open to use by the public but if others are running there it is open, but perhaps pursuant to any agreements they may have with the AKC club. You did say the County said no lock. Check and see if the County actually said that and if there is an agreement , this will answer your question! You have more ability to answer this question then the rest of us, get back with us on the answer. my guess is that it is open to all, and some are simply trying to keep others away, if one does have to be a member then it would be extremely hard for the club to deny anyone membership or set any requirements for or to retain membership including being capable of paying dues, ( if you're poor you can't use public property?) that wouldn't stand! You need to get your answers from the County not from the Club!

[big w beagles]

I have a.k.c. beagles and have a akc club just 3 miles from my house and they rejected my application to join the club. I've talked to some of the guys but they said they accept only 1-2 new members a year. I think if you don't have an inside pull, the chances are not good for ever getting accepted. When I drive by, very seldom do I ever see anyone.

So telling the guy to join the club may not help him in his situation.

[Ole Mule]

Sounds fishy I do not believe public officials would let a private organization build on public property for private use. Need to check with legal authorities at county. Or go to a county council meeting they open to the public and inquire about it don't forget to follow up on it at the next meeting.

[rabbitatfarm]

If it is on public land and paid for by tax dollars it should be open to anyone and everyone. Check and see if there is a permit system to use it on certain days or events. Our parks are like that; if you pay the fee you can hold events on park property. Push the issue;l don't roll over.

[BB Beagles]

Guys, I don't know this for certain, but I believe what it is, is that that club worked with the county to get the grant, and once they got it, members of the club did the labor of putting up fence. I don't know for sure how many acres it is. Id say 25+. It's a nice fence, Teflon coated with tight wire ran along it at top, middle, bottom. We were told it cost $15k.
Once couple guys not in club started running in it, it wasn't long after is when the dam broke. I believe that's why i think the club is throwing a fuss about non members running, because they did lot of work. But that is my concern, it is on county ground, which is open to public, bought not with club money, but a grant, but I think they should thought about that before they put it there.

Btw: the akc club really belongs to a different county, but chose to build it in our county because they had no place to run. It a nice club too. Nice big metal building, a huge concrete kennel in back, with running water. Nice club!
Us poor LP guys who run them wild ass dogs gotta meet in picnic areas. I'm so jealous! Lol!

[nhharris78]

I may have read into this the wrong way but it seems someone is upset the club turned them down on membership so in order to get them their gonna go to every extreme to make it miserable on the club playing the it's on county property card. U stated the Akc club helped the county get the grant? I'd say the club done all the legwork for the grant. I doubt county officials got together and voted to get a grant to build some beaglers a running pen to train their dogs. Anyway the way I see it the club done all the work for the money, the labor and upkeep on the fence and sounds like they have developed the property with clubhouse etc...they should have the say on how it's used IMO. It sounds like your not interested in the club as far as they run a different style of dog so only reason your interested is to take advantage of their pen.

You would have to also look from the clubs side of the fence to. I pretty good idea of what they put up with. Take my home club for example. We have 80 acres and it has been brought up several times to have it clear cut and let it grow up, take the timber money and build us a pen. So far the pen isn't worth the headaches it would create. Everyone with a beagle in a 60 mile radious would want to be a member and use the pen. 99% wouldnt show up to work parties, walk and maintain fence and most of all TRAP RABBITS to keep pen stocked. I don't know it's late and prolly should have just kept my mouth shut but I'm on clubs side on this one

[BB Beagles]

Nhharris78, I am looking at it from the other side of the fence. LITERALLY! The outside! Lol! I have not tried to join that club, and I do not have a issue with the style of hounds they run. And I will agree with you on what you said " they prob did most of Manuel labor", but my question was its on public ground, they can not lock gate, it was bought with grant money. So do or don't have right to run in it, member of that club or not. As you stated y'all have 80 acres, cut timber or not. I take it your club owns ground due to thought of cutting timber. This property they do not own. Also on same property county has a horse ring that was bought with grant money with 4-h club. Anybody can take there horses out there and work them whenever. You don't have to be a 4- H member.

I have been out in that area, and some guys have offered me to come to pen and run with there dogs, others have drove by and said I wouldn't have them junky ass fast over running things. I did not strike back by saying something about peanut rollers or walkie talkie hounds. I do not down another mans hounds if that's what he likes to run. That's what it's all about, running dogs. That's why name of thread is "Don't know that's why I'm asking"