CRAzy pup or just new?

bowhunter59 · Post by **bowhunter59** » Fri Feb 14, 2003 11:10 pm

traded a good feamle i had for a really nice looking puphe is red and white very pretty! 6 months old had him 3 days now.and also got a nice dog box for her.but this pup when i go near him will dang near break his neck to get away from me!and i know his previous owner was good to him .how long till he settles down or is he out of his dang mind!!!previous owner told me he was like that but i thought a litle tlc would cure aint helped yet.but he said he would give me my money back and take pup if he didnt straighten out but he sure looks nice hope i can fix him any ideas?

desertdog/tom · Post by **desertdog/tom** » Fri Feb 14, 2003 11:32 pm

if he had him six months and he was that way with him i would say you got a big problem, the time it would take to get so you could handle him you could probley start a good breed other pup ithink i would get over there before he changs his mind and get my money. your money your time that is up to you.

hope I've helped friend in sport tom .

bowhunter59 · Post by **bowhunter59** » Sat Feb 15, 2003 12:00 am

i've only had him 3 days so far!

desertdog/tom · Post by **desertdog/tom** » Sat Feb 15, 2003 12:14 am

if you like the pup, work with him bring him in the house ,try to see if he will bound with you . a beagle that you cant touch you cant catch when you want to take him hunten. and if he is as spooky as you say there is a real good chance he will be gun shy. this is just my idea. good luck your friend in sport tom

bowhunter59 · Post by **bowhunter59** » Sat Feb 15, 2003 12:19 am

THX WILL TRY THAT SEE IF IT HELPS I'LL GIVE HIM ANOTHER WEEK THEN GIVE HIM BACK IF NO PROGRESS IS MADE!

bluegrass · Post by **bluegrass** » Sat Feb 15, 2003 2:16 pm

I have had too much experience with dogs like the one you have described..I have found out that when they are like that, nothing you can do will get them out of it. I have literally tried everything that I know to do get shy dogs out of this...from bringing inside to hand feeding steak and hot dogs...nothing has worked for me. This isn't a blanket statement about all shy dogs, Im sure someone has been able to get some of them over this, but for the most part, I think that these dogs should not be allowed to breed. I wish you luck, you're going to need it!!!

Called Out · Post by **Called Out** » Sat Feb 15, 2003 6:53 pm

Most dogs that I've seen that were this way are made this way from their owner it's not that they are born that way every dog at about age 6 wks to 12 wks starts a bonding process and if the dog is not proparly handeld at that age then it is more apt to get to were you can't handle it at all they can be brought out of it sometimes but most of the time it's not going to happen every good handling dog that you see if you talk to the owner they will tell you that they spent alot of time with their pups at that age and I mean time every day picking pups up handling them and talking to them not just going in and feeding the dogs and then going to the house until the next day. I am by no means an expert on dogs this is just my .02 that and a buck will get you a cup of joe, Called Out

stanimals2 · Post by **stanimals2** » Sat Feb 15, 2003 7:03 pm

Give it aliltte more time but Seems once they act like that its a problem for life. Ive had some shy dogs that were pretty good but it takes alot of time and they are ussualy 1 man dogs. I have one that has acted a bit shy like she may have been abused by a previous owner but after today Ive decided to cull her. Ive only had her @ 2 months and she always had a bad habbit of coming up behind me and she would stay there until you stop and make her go around. This drove me nuts cause my other dogs are out gettin it and shes hangin around waiting for them to open up. Today I pulled a weed out of the ground and smacked her on the butt and told her to get off my feet, she did I dint see her again until I got home and she was in her box. Sorry but thats game over, Stan

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » Mon Feb 17, 2003 11:19 am

stanimals2, There are plenty of people out there who'd love a beagle pet that stayed with them like that! It sounds like she wants to be more of a "hunter" than a "hunting dog."

A lot of shy dogs remain shy, and sometimes it's tied to just ONE previous traumatic event as a puppy that no loving, feeding, etc, can erase. Often it's due to abuse or just a simple lack of socialization (especially in that 6-12 weeks of age area). I had a dog that wasn't shy but was a fear-biter and would run and hide when she knew it was time to be locked in her crate. Within six months after she came to live with us, she was perfect.

bunnycide · Post by **bunnycide** » Mon Feb 17, 2003 12:49 pm

If I were you Id get my money back. At six months of age and still shy I doubt that you'd ever get enough of the shyness out of her to make you a good hunting companion.. You'd be better off spending your time with a well bred pup. Few things are more frustrating than a beagle that you cant catch when you get ready to come home from a hunting trip..

Hunt6 · Post by **Hunt6** » Mon Feb 17, 2003 8:22 pm

I'd send the pup back.That spooky at that age and after handling Dunno.Probably be gun shy as well.Perfect candidate for the neutering knife whether it is a hunting dog or pet.What you described in the pup is awfully hard to overcome.Time would be better spent on a good pup.

If more people culled hard like the old timers did with a 22 we would not see as much of this in hunting dogs.Just my nickle.
David

Called Out · Post by **Called Out** » Tue Feb 18, 2003 12:16 am

Hey Hunt6, I'm not being disrespectful in anyway but it's not that the old timers culling with a 22 that gave them better dogs than whats around today it's that they spent time with their dogs and they did'nt keep them in a pen 6 - 8 mths. of the year only feeding them and then drag them to the field and think that they are not going to be shy and skittish , I believe that there are to many dogs out there that right away if it's not what someone thinks is the perfect dog that it's time to cut or shoot the dog when the whole time it's not the dogs fault it's the lack of time from the owner not spending time training or socializing the dog or just not knowing how to do it right , yes breeding does play a big part in it but that good breeding took someone some time working with those dogs to get that bloodline and there are times when culling is the best answer for some dogs by what ever means are nessesary be it cutting or termination of that dog , and know to open a big can of worms I also believe that there are alot of dogs out there that were not born gunshy but were made that way by their owners from neglect of proper training , socializing , and conditioning of the dog like the dog never hearing a loud noise from birth till it's a 6 - 10 mths. old or what ever age the dog happens to be when it runs it's first rabbit and right as the pup get's to running good they shoot the rabbit 10 feet from the pup and scare it half to death then they wonder why is it that every time I make a loud noise around this dog it goes crazy and hides in the doghouse. Like I said this not a personnal attack or no disrespect is meant this is just my humble opinion I just think people are to quick to want to cut or cull a dog instead of spending time with them in the first place to make it short everybody wants that top notch rabbit dog but as someone told me one time "nothing that is good comes without a price" be it TIME or money , Called Out

thornie · Post by **thornie** » Tue Feb 18, 2003 6:19 am

I'm no professional, but I have worked with a few dogs like this. What I
do is use a 10 ft, check cord, spend about 15 min. a day. I walk the dog
in a square area, not paying any attenion to his jerking, pulling, jumping
or whatever he is doing. I then stop call the dog to come with small tugs,
and if they do not respond I reel them in. I give them appraisial. I then
start the walk again, and do the same thing, only I've shortented the cord
a little. I have had great success with method, and I like the challenge of
showing the person how his dog handles after this little bit of work.

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » Tue Feb 18, 2003 12:28 pm

I should add that there have been few more satisfying moments with dogs in my life than when I saw them have "breakthrough" moments during training. Forget about the dogs that are seemingly born with titles...anybody can work with them. Give me the diamonds in the rough!

Hunt6 · Post by **Hunt6** » Tue Feb 18, 2003 1:21 pm

As to Called Outs comments...All sound advice and I agree 110 %.I'm saying that if this pup was treated like I treat - start my pups aka all in your post he should be culled.

Having said that for a level playing field,To many breeders pass this type pup along only to have anther hunter - breeder to breed it to a good one hoping for something good to come from it.In times gone by he would have been shot and not allowed to reproduce.You need only look at all the for sale sections of all the beagle - hound sites for proof.It serves no purpose other than do screw up the gene pool not to spay and neuter - cull such a dog and find a pet only type home for it. Just my nickle.
David

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