Help AKC! Dog Jockey got one of my pups

Upset Breeder · Post by **Upset Breeder** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 9:37 pm

I just learned that a local dog jockey and brace beagler acquired a pup that I had bred. (Can't figure out why he wanted it except maybe to fudge AKC papers.) The person I transferred the dog to could not keep it and did not send in the papers yet. Is there anything I can do to block this person from registering this dog with AKC? Can I request limited registration on the hound after it leaves here? I would not have sold the dog to this person and am terribly upset that this beautiful little bitch will be going through a terrible time. Any suggestions?

TomPA · Post by **TomPA** » Sat Feb 22, 2003 2:35 am

Did you keep a record of the # on the papers that went out with the pup, if so you should be able to contact the AKC and get them to do something.

DG TX · Post by **DG TX** » Sat Feb 22, 2003 8:09 am

In my mind, the party, so called dog jockey probably just will speculate on the hound. Without papers he probably bought it very cheap and is going to sell it for profit as a grade hound. This is all legal. Just because he is a brace beagler does not make him dishonest. Are you for sure WHO has the papers now? The person who bought the hound from you could be in AKC violation. A BIG doubt on getting limited reg after the hound is sold.

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » Sat Feb 22, 2003 3:00 pm

I doubt you can change the registration to "limited" now.

You could have sold/transferred the dog with a limited registration and changed it to a full registration later, though, if you saw it. I know of breeders who do that with all of the dogs they sell.

James L · Post by **James L** » Sat Feb 22, 2003 8:35 pm

Boomer when you sold the hound and got paid for her she is no longer your property, i believe that it would be very difficult to change anything
ref. the reg. of the pup. Maybe you could buy her form the man, and get her back.

Hunt6 · Post by **Hunt6** » Sat Feb 22, 2003 11:26 pm

Any suggestions?

I don't want to sound un caring. But yea.Stop whinning.You sold the dog which means you do not own it now.What the person you sold to or the person he sold to does with the dog is their business.

Jeeze do you try to get the cars back that you sell because the new owner do not change the oil every 5000 miles :-)
David

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 2:06 pm

I should have added that a lot of breeders I know use a contract that states that the dog cannot be given away or sold and needs to be returned to the breeder if the need/desire arises to get rid of the dog.

Hunt6, comparing a beagle to a used car is absurd. In "Upset Breeders" case, not only is it a beagle, but it's a beagle that he/she brought into the world and is a son/daughter or his/her own dog(s). Obviously, he should've used more foresight. To whom were you worried about sounding "uncaring" about - the breeder who made the mistake, or the dog who may now be in a bad situation?

SouthernBeagles · Post by **SouthernBeagles** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 5:29 pm

I tried that contract back when I first started selling a few pups. Fact is, once the dog is sold, it is really hard for the contract to be inforced. I found out two years later that the dog had been given away to someone who later called me to ask about its breeding. I was irritated because of the contract, but fact is, I sold the dog. An atty will tell you that the contract is binding, but the court costs can over excede the cost of the hound. I don't even bother with the contract anymore.

If you can't buy the dog back, you are just going to have to except that the dog isn't yours anymore. I hate it, but it is their dog to do with what they wish.

Hunt6 · Post by **Hunt6** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 5:57 pm

Boomer.I don't want any dog to suffer at the hands of a poor owner that will neglect it or abuse it.

But when I - we freely sell something for money to some one else then its none of my - our business what they do with it.Pure and simple.I only meant that the time to worry about such was before he took the money and sold the dog.

Accusing the new owner of wrong doing without any facts is hardly fair either.Since we're talking fairness.

If I were him and that worried I would try to buy the dog back.May want to consider putting a contract on future sales.But as the previous poster stated.That is not always a lock either.

I hope it turns out good for the fellow and the dog.If not then he has learned a hard lesson.We all do time to time.
David

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 8:26 pm

SouthernBeagles,

The contract itself can only go so far once secondary transactions take place, but it could prevent such situations in the first place. If such a provision were provided in a sales contract, there's a chance the breeder would've had the dog returned to him buy the original purchaser instead of having it transferred to whoever has it now.

I also know of people who require minimum levels of care in contracts, (spaying/neutering prior to one year of age, annual vaccinations, etc) and who have had no trouble whatsoever in regaining possession of these dogs when such conditions were not met.

There's no 100% safety net, but anything's better than no net at all.

SouthernBeagles · Post by **SouthernBeagles** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 8:51 pm

Boomer,
I was the breeder and my contract was ignored by the origional buyer. It would have cost me more money to fight it in court than the fair market value of the dog.

A contract is only as good as the contractee's are honest. And It depends on how much you are willing to spend to make the buyers keep up their end in the event that they break the contract.

stanimals2 · Post by **stanimals2** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 8:56 pm

I dont want to sound like Iam uncaring because I do care, but I cant believe you make someone sign a contract that they can only sell a dog or give a dog away to you. That is the stupidist thing I have ever heard. once its sold you have no business trying to stick your nose in what they do with the dog as far as ownership. Abuse is a different matter! And lastley what the h@#l does being a brace person have to do with it? Stan Highley

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 8:57 pm

WOW I HOPE YOU DONT SELL MANY PUPS IN A FEW YEARS YOU COULD
HAVE A VERY LARGE FEED BILL

Money for pups
the bottom line is pups live, die, get traded and some times
go to dog traders

If you cant handle the emotions of selling than dont breed
its just not fair to put conditions on an item you sell I know what comes next an item its a puppy a son or a daugther of one of youre dogs
Well that may very well be true but the rabbit you shot last weekend had a mom and a dad. You may say but i didnt raise it and it was wild.
Someone raised that hamburger you ate last nite but they didnt whine
My point is how far must we go. Before we know it there wont any hunting at its not a far stretch from not wanting a dog trader to have your dog because of what he mite do and that poor little rabbit he doesnt desirve to be chased.

this should stir things up

SouthernBeagles · Post by **SouthernBeagles** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 9:08 pm

Don't get me wrong, my contract was a bad idea at the time and I have learned alot since then.. I was using a form contract. I understand now that its yours to do with what you want. It should have been that way to begin with , but I was just starting out and trying to cover my own butt. My only contribution to this post is to let you all know that contracts don't work in most cases unless you are willing to back your contract with $$. I am not.

When someone buys a pup from me, it is theirs to keep, sell, trade, breed, ext. If I feel like it is not a quality pup, I just don't give papers with it. If I think it may be something I may want to have back some day, I don't sell it in the first place. This is the way it should be.

B&B Kennels · Post by **B&B Kennels** » Mon Feb 24, 2003 7:31 am

A contract is good in some cases.I have a friend who breeds rotts who was taking to court because a pup he sold that the new owner had for 3 months got parvo.The new owner took my buddy to court and he won the case and was refunded his money back.