Lost my birthday!!!!

Indiana Brian 2 · Post by **Indiana Brian 2** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:34 pm

Well, I lost my birthday today! What an idiot....maybe he didn't understand the part of "I won't be back". Here's the letter I wrote, and here's the letter I got

Well, these are my friends who are posting in here. I think it's sad that things have gotten to this point, when one little club meeting could have settled most of this a long time ago.

And now, I see where "action will be taken" against those who have voiced thier opinion on this board. Put me on that list. I'm done with all this. I have better things to invest my time and money in. I stand by pretty much everything these folks have said. It did look bad when all the clubs weren't notified of the vote. It did look bad when certain individuals were told to "go ahead and leave, we're not going to vote tonight" and then as soon as they left a vote was held. It did look bad when Jesse Duncan, our club president, called in to inquire as to why he wasn't notified of the vote only to be told YOUR records indicated he attended that vote. HE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT IT! It did look bad when Mace brought a fella to a trial only to have his dog judged by that fella two days in a row and win both days. My dad used to say this: "when there's that much smoke, there's gotta be a fire somewhere."

So, go ahead and ban me. At this point, I don't care anymore. This orginization is going in a direction I don't want to go, so maybe you are right Del. Maybe it's time I just move on.

I hereby resign my position with the Morgan County Beagle Club.

To all of you who read this: If you don't see a problem, don't say a word. However, if you do see a problem, time to be men and speak up.

Goodbye ARHA. It was fun while it lasted.

Brian

And today, I got this:

Dear Mr. Fleener:

I will gladly accept your resignation from the Morgan County Beagle Club. Since it is obvious that you have contempt and lack of respect for the NKC/ARHA, the ARHA borad and the way that I run the NKC/ARHA, for the betterment of the NKC/ARHA as the owner of NKC/ARHA you are hereby banned form any participation in the NKC/ARHA permanently. As the sole owner of the NKC/ARHA I have the right to allow or disallow any participation in the NKC/ARHA and set the terms of any banishment as I see fit.

Sincerely,
Del Morgan
Owner, NKC/ARHA

So boys, don't make any waves, voice your opinion, or point out any flaws or mean ole Mr Morgan will take away your birthday too. OH, and make sure you keep sending him his money.

NOT ME!!!!

BRIAN

WrongsideRandy · Post by **WrongsideRandy** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:03 pm

Brian.........Dont feel alone! Old no nads sent me one as well. I dont know how thick in the skull he is but I thought I told him 2 or 3 times last year to ban me for life........I assumed all along I was banned for life

Once again........no reason as to why I was banned, just that I was banned, LOL.

Mr. Beavers/Wrongside Kennels
Since it is obvious that you have contempt and lack of respect for the NKC/ARHA, the ARHA board and the way that I run the NKC/ARHA, for the betterment of the NKC/ARHA as the owner of NKC/ARHA you are hereby banned form any participation in the NKC/ARHA permanently. As the sole owner of the NKC/ARHA I have the right to allow or disallow any participation in the NKC/ARHA and set the terms of any banishment as I see fit.

Like I care

Randy

Indiana Brian 2 · Post by **Indiana Brian 2** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:20 pm

Terrry Sudduth · Post by **Terrry Sudduth** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 3:47 am

I heard that My letter is in the mail,LOL,iF NKC does not wont anymore of My money then They wont get anymore,I will find ,are make a Registry that does wont My Money .

hounddog · Post by **hounddog** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:26 am

All of you guys have my greatest respect. There are a few honerable folks left in this world and you all are part of them. I don't trial my dogs but if I did you can bet I wouldn't put up with that trash. Come join the UKC format where you can speak your mind. Lots of luck in everything you do!

PS I wish they would send me a letter, I bet I could find a place to shov it

hounddog

Indiana Brian 2 · Post by **Indiana Brian 2** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 1:22 pm

Thanks Hounddog. I really appreciate it. I don't know when, but I'm sure sometime I'll be ready to trial again. For right now, I will just go into the fields with some friends I have the upmost respect for. We'll just let the dogs do what they do....and we'll just enjoy the fall weather and the sound of the hounds. I do appreciate your offer though. God bless you!

Redtick · Post by **Redtick** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 3:05 pm

Please, don't print that you can speak your mind on the UKC board. It is NOT true.

Old Toad will banish you from the board whether you violate any message board rules or not (I didn't).

Even when he fails to enforce the UKC message board rules and you say you are not going to post on the board any more, then he bans you. Profane and pornographic posts were made that included my wife's name and when I complained and asked for them to removed, I was attacked by UKC's management. I have it all on a file for the honest world to see.
I doubt if profane and pornographic posts would be allowed on this board, so I doubt if I will have to complain to this site's board manager.

Terrry Sudduth · Post by **Terrry Sudduth** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 7:31 pm

Well it came in the mail today,and I will go pick it up tomorrow,and see what My punishment is.

Scuba Steve · Post by **Scuba Steve** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 11:19 am

Dave Haugh is right. todd Banned him from teh board for nothing. Dave has never done anything to get under anyones skin. Just because he was asked not to post on this board for being a butt and then banned off PKC for being a butt is no reason that Todd should ban him off the UKC board for being and even bigger butt. Nobody knows how to take Dave. when he posts 3000 times about how good cricket is or how you can win at ARHA by running a squirrel it is just because he forgot he already bragged on her 2999 and told that story 2999 other times. When he rips on PKC for having two formats he eventually will take it all back when Steve Fielder quits and they get a new moderator. Then and only then does Dave become a proud PKC member and posts on their board. Its weird, they still have two formats but he doesn't care anymore as long as he doesnt jhave to jones for a submit button. There is no way that Dave is the worst guy on teh beagle boards. There has to be one or two worse than him. He never irritates anyone, He is an expert that we all can learn from. If you want to know how good he is, just ask him. If he can't remember he probably has it video taped somewhere. I personally applaud you Todd Morgan, I wish Bev would do the same.

Redtick · Post by **Redtick** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:59 pm

All I can say is that I sure wouldn't want to be on a cast where Ole Toad is carrying the scorecard. He doesn't go by UKC's rules (in my opinion).

As for PKC and Steve Fielder, call up Steve and ask him what he thinks of me. The last time Frances Gail and I saw him, he dropped what he was doing to give Frances Gail a big hug. He would never let anyone post a vulgar and profane post about her on any board he had anything to do with.

As for the PKC board, click on to http://www.prohound.com, click to the message boards, then to the beagle boards and read the messages I have posted. You will find current messages I have posted that say the same thing Steve didn't want me to post a couple of years ago. But, Steve is gone, Craig isn't whining to Steve about them now, no one is booking any PKC "Small Pack" hunts, and I haven't put anything that I wouldn't look Larry Meeks in the eye and say to him personally. (I have known Larry personally for a long, long time).

I will say that I know of someone who hadn't hunted UKC hunts get upset with me giving my opinions of ARHA hunts as compared to UKC hunts. These days though, that someone's husband is a UKC representative, sat on the UKC rules commitee, and we haven't bumped heads in a good while. Times have changed.
UKC has much better rules than ARHA. Too bad they do not have better management also

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As for poor Ole Cricket, I may not have got the ARHA Little Pack 1st place win if Ralph hadn't handled her for me

. Pedde only needs 2 Champion wins in the hunts and 2 on the bench to be a UKC Dual Grand Champion beagle

. I will support PKC beagle hunts when they start using 1 set of good rules , I don't support PKC Beagle Hunts at this time.

I met Del Morgan at a NKC Squirrel Dog Hunt. He seemed like a nice person but I didn't get to know him as well as I know other kennel club officials.

WrongsideRandy · Post by **WrongsideRandy** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:14 pm

Redtick wrote:I will support PKC beagle hunts when they start using 1 set of good rules , I don't support PKC Beagle Hunts at this time.

Dave, Excuse my stupidty.........but what do you mean by using 1 set of rules? Do you mean different type of trials.........like ARHA does with LP,PP,GDB and such?

Thanks,
Randy

Post by **Bev** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:23 pm

Redtick, be fair and don't spin the story. For those of you new to the board, I was never angry about Redtick criticizing ARHA's "format", although he likes to claim that was the reason we didn't get along. I was angry about him bashing the DOGS competing in ARHA - saying their Champion titles were worthless. I still believe you're full of beans about that.

Dave, in case you've forgotten, Ralph and I got our field trialing start in ARHA. I started the magazine in part to cover those trials when they had no magazine. We were VERY active in ARHA, and many of our hounds are ARHA Champions. Some are now also getting their Championship points in UKC. This tells me that a good dog is a good dog is a good dog. The Saunders' household still has the utmost respect for those dogs accomplished in ARHA. We simply enjoy the UKC format more.

Using Ralph's participation in UKC as the reason you and I don't butt heads is just wrong. Ralph tries to be helpful - give above and beyond to everything he's involved in. Don't cheapen his efforts by trying to hang onto his cuff. Come to a big UKC event sometime. While you're sitting and enjoying your lunch, Ralph will have his knees on the concrete measuring dogs. He does these things because he wants to help in any way he is able.

Redtick · Post by **Redtick** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 7:45 am

Bev, I really like Ralph and I think he is great for the sport of competition beagling. I will never forget the first time I met him, he was handing out issues of the first issue of The American Beagler at The Central Illinois Beagle Club in Shelbyville, Illinois, an ARHA club. Frances Gail and I still have that issue and every other issue published since then. Ralph sold us a subscription on the spot.

All I can say about ARHA is that I will not be using dogs that have their Championships with their Championships being the reason I am using that dog as part of my breeding program. As far as I am concerned, ARHA does not require the rabbit to be seen before Championship points are given and some of their Champions reflect that. Nuff said.
I don't hang on anyone's cuff, I make my own decissions and either benefit or suffer the consequences accordingly. As for major UKC hunts, you won't see me at any of them. That includes Coonhound Events, and Squirrel Dog Events as well as Beagle Events although Frances Gail and I did attend the UKC World Championship Coonhound Bench Show a couple of weeks ago.

My feud with Todd Morgan is between me and him but I hold other UKC management responsible (mainly his brother-in-law Todd) for allowing him to get away with some of the crap he has pulled. I truely believe if he worked for anyone other than his brother-in-law, he would have been fired a long time ago. My wife has done alot for UKC over the years (more than most folks know about). She deserves more than to have vulgar and obscene posts being made about her on UKC's message board.

Bev, I will do my best to get along with you on this and any other message board.

As for 2 sets of PKC rules, I mean one set of rules where the rabbit has to be seen for plus points to be given, another set of rules where the rabbit doesn't have to be seen for plus points to be awarded. It makes a BIG difference in the type of dog that may win the hunt. Show me the rabbit before you say your beagle is better than mine. You can't shoot a rabbit you don't see, let's not reward a dog that can't show you the rabbit!

Scuba Steve · Post by **Scuba Steve** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 7:45 am

Dave, you wouldn't know if Todd follows the rules or not. He would never hunt with someone like you. He is WAY more particluar who he hunt with. I wee why you are banned from the UKC board. Why don't you grow up. You show your maturity level with the "ole Toad" comment. You are washed up Dave and will finish your life as an internet beagler.

I hear rumors that 5 of your buddies got barred by Todd from UKC for fixing hunts. Now I hear from a frined of mine here in Indiana that he just got a coonhound with a DNA exclusion from you. YOUR NAME WAS ON THE PAPERS and the papers didn't match the dog. I HEAR UKC IS NOW COMING FOR YOU. Todd Should have fun with that one. Better transfer all your dogs now dog jockey.

dogrunnerone · Post by **dogrunnerone** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:15 pm

Dave,

You never learn. Do you ever put your brain into gear before putting your mouth in motion? I don't bash you or make posts against anything you have to say as I find most of it full of hot air from an ole man that doesn't have anything better to do. As far as whining to Steve, I was the only one at the time willing to take the ball and run trying to get PKC beagling off the ground. I don't care if they have 100 different formats as long as someone can find one that suits their style and that of their dogs. If you don't like it, don't run it. You sit and gripe about most everything but I have yet to see you do a thing to help promote anything, anywhere except your stupid videos. I run ARHA, UKC and PKC and I will and have always helped each and everyone of these organizations if needed or asked to. I don't argue with you about the kind of rabbit dog it takes to be a champion because I know, I have owned them, trained them and judged many that I would be glad to own, so your input means nothing to me. BUT what does matter to me is you coming on here trying to bash me for just trying to help out the beagling world. IF you have a problem with me, be a man and call the number listed. IF I see my name associated with anymore of your post in a negative way, you can bet you will be hearing from me. NUFF SAID!!!!!!

Play your childish games with someone that wants and likes to play them with you. You only see things your way and only your way, as an elder I would think by now you have learned to open your eyes and see there are always two sides to everything, not just DAVE's way.

Enough time wasted on you,

Craig Tull
(765) 659-3959