Little Pack judging ?

[Jim Stinnett]

Original post strike jump on dog A.

Big dogs post. The dog in the bushes didnt bark 3 times.
The dog on the road did.

Jump on the dog in the bushes.
Strike on the one in the road.

That is the only way it can be scored according to the rules.

[AV Spencer]

Jim I disagree.

If a dog jumps the rabbit, he gets jump and strike points. He doesn't have to bark.

What if he catches the rabbit and has it in his mouth and another dog barks three times first. The dog that jumps the rabbit gets the strike points.

On the other hand a dog can get stike points and then another dog can get the jump points.

AV

[BrewerMo]

The way I understand it, and have always scored it is how Jim would. About a dog catching the rabbit it says jump and strike in the book. It is unfortunate when a dog is just standing or walking along and sees a rabbit jumped by another dog, but that is the way I have always seen it scored.

[PREACHERS KENNEL]

brew u yanks gotta learn to read come back stay with me a few more days i teach ya lol!the dog that jumped the rabbit in the bushes and ran it in front of the other gets strike jump points dont matter who barks 3 times 1st if the jumnp occurs 1st that dog gets jump strike points .. guys please try reading the booklet it really helps lol!and what really bothere me is some of these guys r judges that r screwing up an easy ?!

[Lynn Perkins]

I have to ask,did dog A leave the thicket after judge seen the rabbit sneak out and then come back and find the track and start running it or did dog A stay in the thicket as if he knew a rabbit was there and trying to find it.
Mike do you feel as the judge the dog jumped the rabbit or the rabbit scared and flushed on its on?

[Lynn Perkins]

In a 2 dog cast dog A goes in a small thicket and jumps rabbit out, but doesnt know it right away. 30 or so seconds pass and Dog A gives mouth back where the rabbit came out and runs the rabbit to the hole. Dog B the only other dog in the cast was not in the area.

How would you score this?

If he jumps it and you know he jumped it = strike/jump,if he scares it out and you the judge know a rabbit flushed from being scared out and it takes him 30 secs to realize that a rabbit flushed from the thicket and he hits an already moving track +10 only.

Depending on how you answer my first question,whether he jumped "the" rabbit or "a" rabbit flushed on its on, if you say he jumped "the" rabbit then 30 secs passed by wouldn't the same dog get credit for a check as well when he did find the track?? curious on how most would score this myself.

[PREACHERS KENNEL]

guess ur right lynn i didnt think about the check part really before ,,yea if u knew he he jumped it ..then went outside the thicket and barked ,he would need to makle a line tho to have a check forward progress and mouth to get a check..good stuff guys ....

[mike crabtree]

Lynn, I guess you are right about the check. I didnt give him a check. The dog definately jumped the rabbit. I thought time was going to run out without the dog getting on the track. I guess I should have given dog A a check as well. That is a very weird situation. I thought I had it right. but still shorted the dog a check. The dog I shorted the check still won the cast though.

[mike crabtree]

The funny part is had I not saw the rabbit it would have been a Strike-jump cut and dry no checks or arguments or disagreements. That is something.

[Jim Stinnett]

Adam,

I disagree.

If they catch one on a jump. I agree strike jump.

A dog does have to bark 3 times to get strike points.

Just because a dog jumps a rabbit doest mean he automatically get strike points.

If he jumps a rabbit & the rabbit runs in front of another hound and that hound barks sight chasing. The dog the jumped the rabbit will be pulling to him.

Check out the rules.

See ya Jim

[kjohns]

On Big Dog's scenario:

The only possible way to score it is Jump for Dog B and Strike for Dog A. It's unfortunate and not a perfect world scoring system. But the rules are the rules and have to be followed. You can't give a strike to Dog B, he didn't open. First 3 barks gets the strike, whether its plus or minus.

[beagledogsetw]

IF DOG B WAS THE ONLY DOG IN THE WEEDS HE GETS THE JUMP IF BOG A BARKS 3 TIMES FIRST HE GETS THE STRAKE IF DOG A IS MINE AND HE IS STANDING AROUND HE GETS A NEW OWNER LOL ELDEN

[AV Spencer]

NO.

A dog that jumps the rabbit DOES get the strike points whether he barks 3 times or not.

Very clearly in the rule book it states: p.17(Orange book) under STRIKE

Strike points MUST be awarded if the rabbit is jumped by a hound.

Example: Hound A jumps the rabbit from his set up. Even though Hound A did not bark on the track, he is still awarded the stike points.

That is the rule!
AV

[PREACHERS KENNEL]

thx av my cmon guys . jim please read that little green book now lol!!if the jump occurs 1st the dog get the strike also.....when jump strike is open the 1st dog to bark 3 times is on clock and can get strike points ,but if jump occurs 1st is strike jump for the dog that jumped it period plain and simple!

[WELLS WOODS]

I'm not familiar with all these Arha rules and three barks and stop watch stuff, but common sense would say to score the dog that is hunting hard and send the dog that is standing in the path back to the truck that brought him there.