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Thirty head was what I think he told me at the Cincy Hunting and Fishing Show this past January. He had one hound with him for the show there, but I've seen John stack a few of his hounds at Brownstown (Co. fair) in Indiana where he makes a yearly trek with them. They are magnificent. They are almost intimidating with their presence. They practically stack themselves.
Matters not that this is primarily a beagle board, if you have pics you'd like to share of these or any other foxhounds, I have an forum to post about other hunting breeds. Please feel welcome to use it any time; I'd like to see a little more traffic there. There's something about a hunting dog (any breed) that interests most of us. Actually, I'd like to try and get to a Beagle on Fox trial sometime.
Bev wrote. Thirty head was what I think he told me at the Cincy Hunting and Fishing Show this past January.
Bev, I have no doubt that he did say that and he may well have got down to only 30 hounds in Jan, however "the John I'm cutting down is a bit of a chuckle and sometimes I think he looks around to see if his wife can be sure to hear him". I'am not sure I've ever talked to John that he did not say he was cutting back on his hound population. Let's see if he had 30 in Jan. But he had bred a couple bitches, and pups under 6 month do not count let's see, by the Grand Royal in April if you counted he might be at 50 or 60 , or (remember an avg litter for Fxhds is about 10, and not too unusual to have 12 or more) you get to adding up now older pups, the couple of new litters and a trade or two and he just bred "old bess" since he figured it would be his last chance with her, and by July you go count and he as about 80 or so on the place and needs "to cut down". I like John, he is a good one and a very fine houndsman and judge. Although I think Earl still had the better eye for a good one.
To try to get this back toward beagles on fox. There are a couple mounted packs in the UK that do use beagles for foxhunting, pre-ban anyway. Also I believe there may be a pony club pack or two in VA, MD etc. area that use beagles for fox. ( A good question for the FOL e-mail list.)
In the book Beagling in American and England, pub 1920, Henry Prentice describes a Beagle Field Trial in KY around or just before 1900 in which after all the winners had been determined in, male, female 13 and 15. Someone had trapped a red fox and brought it to the trial. They turned the fox loose with a 10 minute head start and then turned the 4 winners lose to run it. Several Foxhound men figured the beagles would give it up quite quickly and then tehy could have some fun with thier hounds. They were to be disappointed because the beagles accouted for the fox in it seems like about a half hour or so. In the early years it was not too unusual to have houndman that used thier scent hounds to run more than one quarry and in some cases to also use them as flush and retrieve dogs when bird hunting. There was a pic in I believe H&H taken after WWII of a beagler in Washington with 2 or 3 beagles from FC lines and an early pick-up virtually looking like it was covered in pheasants after a day in the field. They were hanging off the rack in back, laying on the hood, fenders, roof etc. In the past it appears that there was more use of the same hound in a multiple use roll. He went hunting with you no matter what the quarry or the season and was expected to be an aid.
There are several around Alabama and two near you, just off the mountain. One is the nicest around and owned by Orbin Elders 256-???-????.
The other is at Ft. Payne and owned by Johnny Cavins 256-643-5962. Go and report back how you liked it. One has hogs in it as well as Coyotes and Foxes. If they have seen hogs before, they will be OK.
Mine learn early if they survive, to run from them.
I have posted some pics of the Big Valley Running Pen in SE MO over in the Other Hunting Breeds section of this forum. There are also a few pics of Foxhounds on the bench. Below is a picture of Ch AA Black Gold Mizzou being shown in the AKC Showring by J. Wright of Cedar Creek Foxhounds. Pic is from about 1995 and Black Gold was about 6 or so years old at time. Black Gold is a bit unique because he does have a Dog Food Co that was named after him. (It might be noted that the U of MO colors are also Black Gold. The owner of the hound and company is a Mo grad.) Black Gold was an outstanding hound and very very sucessful on the bench and also as sire. He has quite a number of descendents that have done very well in all kinds of events and many that have became Ch in thier respective registries. Black Gold died in in the fall of 2002 or 03. Can not remember for sure.
Thanks for posting my pics Dan , the Beagles in the pic are ran on Cottontails, Jacks , coyotes fox and hare, Trialed on fox and hare also.
two of the hounds are Moneysunk MountainMan hounds and the blanket back one is a Larsen breed hound.
When I saw the dog in the 3rd picture I ran to my truck to see if my dog was still in the box. He's gotta be out of Mountain Man. Is Squealer his dam? What's his name?
Very good looking hounds. Got enough leg under them to give them speed and endurance. Obviously they get the job done very well. Thank you for posting the pictures and wish you good hunting no matter what the quarry.
Haha ya they are littermates. His name is Awful Bawlin Real Dandy,
Love the hound huge heart never stops hunting . Which Hound do you own from that litter?
Awful Bawlin Rupert's Bud and Direct Injection. Bud is just like Dandy. He hunts on the run and won't stop until he finds a rabbit. I call him the "Wide Receiver" Direct Injection hunts a little closer and can just drive the line like he owns it. Both have 4 or 5 places in LPH. Both are making very good cottontail dogs
I have seen Direct Injection hes a tough tough hound ...i was a marshal in a trial he was in ..He hurt himself, shoulder was out of joint ..or something , but he would not stop hunting unlike alot of the other hounds in the woods. He has a good nose too, from what i saw that day .
