PKC Beagling

houndsound · Post by **houndsound** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:50 pm

Stony_Branch_Kennels wrote:1. No, not unless he has a handler for the other dogs.
2. Yes

thanks for the info.

dk

Redtick · Post by **Redtick** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:46 am

There are some folks who can not do anything on the topic of PKC Beagling except attack me personally. So I automatically scroll over any post they make and I am not going to answer any of their personal questions, they are not relevent to the topic. If you choose to put any value in their posts, that is your choice. But to me, all they are trying to distract me (and perhaps others), from the real issues related to the topic. They are like ghost tracking or babbling beagles, all mouth, no rabbit. They think they should get plus points, but they are nothing but culls in my pack. You be the judge on this cast.
The bottom line on who was at the Rule meeting is that who ever was there failed to come up with some PKC rules that anyone wants to buy. I never talked to anyone that that hunted any UKC hunts that attended the meeting and the leaders at the first PKC Hunt only talked about the Small Pack rules. I was the ONLY person that brought up anything else and the H&H format was implimented after that. The H&H format is the only format that has made PKC any money for over the last year or so. Some folks stated I sound like I am bitter. Well , yes I am. Some folks hijacked a great concept and turned it into a piece of chit like it is now. I recieved my Prohound yesterday (PKC's Official magazine). Again, no Small Pack hunts. No one is buying the Small Pack format. It is junk. Let's delete it. It is in the way of a better set of rules. Better yet, let's work on some acceptable set of a combination of the 2 sets of rules. That is really what needs to be done.
Do any of you understand PKC's Super Stakes program and it's implication to the beagle community? As far as I am concerned, the potential of a Super Stakes program is the main reason I am interested in PKC beagling. There is no way a PKC Super Stakes program could possibly be implicated with 2 sets of rules. It wouldn't be fair. PKC needs to set a rules meeting where everyone can attend and PKC needs to impliment 1 set of workable rules. Otherwise (and most likely to happen) PKC needs to delete the entire beagle program. I will compete in other PKC events.

ringtail · Post by **ringtail** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:34 am

man you have repeated yourself in 4 darn pages get to the point,,,,,,,,,every post you put up is at the meeting somebody forgot the rules,,,,,,who cares about any rules,,,,,if you dont like any formats rules man its time for you to quit your bitchen,,,none of us care who was there or wasnt,,,,,,,,,,,,you dont like them get out...........oh yeah take your professional beagles to,,,,,,,,,,,

ANYBODY ELSE TIRED OF HEARING THIS BROKEN RECORD OVER AND OVER,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Post by **Aaron Bartlett** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:39 pm

Redtick wrote:There are some folks who can not do anything on the topic of PKC Beagling except attack me personally. So I automatically scroll over any post they make and I am not going to answer any of their personal questions, they are not relevent to the topic.

Since I wasnt attacking you personally and my question was relevent to this topic I guess you must of either missed my post of just forgot to answer so I will ask again.......

I understand that UKC will soon have another format somewhat like ARHA PP and LP in addition to thier H&H, Large Pack and Small Pack formats. Im not up on the Large Pack and Small Pack rules but im pretty sure the new format will make 3 out of 4 formats that UKC has that judges follow the dogs and do the scoring. Will you be boycotting(sp?) UKC now that they have four sets of rules? Just curious.

JIMMIE ABSHIRE · Post by **JIMMIE ABSHIRE** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:46 pm

REDTICK .
YOU ARE STARTING TO SOUND LIKE THIS ----BLAH BLAH BLAH -
ITS A DEAD HORSE MAN GET OVER IT ,LETS MOVE ON

JMurphy · Post by **JMurphy** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:13 pm

No Redtick:
I have no need to distract anyone from anything.I think it is you that is trying to distract others.You are the one who is being caught in lies here so I think it is you who is babbling.The truth stings a little doesnt it.,doesnt it.As far as having culls in your pack,I guess you would Know all about that.
You can claim to ignore my posts but I am smart enough to know that you read every word.I want people to know what a sack of crap you are.A liar hates getting caught.I will ask a couple of questions that you also like to ignore.If the rules are why PKC isnt successful then why is UKC successful with several different formats?I will tell you why:It is because they have made a huge effort to be successful.You wont answer my questions simply because you cant.Also how will PKC be successful in beagling if their owner isnt committed to it?
J.Murphy/Murphy's Kennel

Redtick · Post by **Redtick** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 9:34 am

There are some folks who can't stay with the topic. To me they are like babbling beagles, all mouth, no rabbit. And, some of them are growly and need to be scratched for fighting. I do believe we have a very lienient judge. I know some folks would not be allowed to make such posts on other boards like the PKC board. I am trying to be true to the topic like a good beagle stays on the rabbit's trail, even though there are babbling, growly beagles on the cast. On this cast, it is where everyone can participate in the judging, so you make the decission on which posts you choose to read.
I got my American Beagler, UKC's official magazine. I didn't get much UKC information but on page 24, there is a schedual for upcoming PKC events. There are 14 PKC Beagle Hunts listed. All were Hound & Hunter Events, no Small Pack hunts. And, in Prohound, PKC's magazine, there has been no Small Pack beagle hunts for a very long time. That format needs to be deleted.
I know it is private buisness information but I am very curious to find out if the PKC Upcoming Events was paid for by PKC or was published as public service information by The American Beagler. I do know for a fact that some funding for advertisements was going to be availible. I know American Beagle does publish hunt results from various registries as reader information. And, perhaps a column on PKC Beagles from a writer would be published for free also. As I said before, I really am not trying to be too nosey, but the information would show an interest by PKC in it's beagling program and would be relevent to this thread. I did like seeing the information published in The American Beagler!
On the topic of UKC's beagle program, I intend to start a new thread on that topic.

JIMMIE ABSHIRE · Post by **JIMMIE ABSHIRE** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 10:52 am

CANT WAIT

BLAH BLAH BLAH

GOOD GOD MR IF YOU DONT WORK WHY IN THE LIVING HELL DONT YOU KILL SOME RABBITS ,THE ONLY REASON I POST ON THIS IDIOT BOX IS THAT I AM STUCK HERE 11 HOURS A DAY , AS A PROHANDLER WHEN DOESTHE PRO COME IN ?I WISH TO GOD I COULD HAVE THE OPPURTUNITY TO GET OUT EVERY DAY,AND DO WHAT I LIKE INSTEAD OF KEEPING MY NOSE IN THIS THING ..... REALLY ITS OK WE WILL NOTIFY YA IF WE NEED YA BUD. GET SOME FRESH AIR

ringtail · Post by **ringtail** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:34 am

redtick,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i belive your the only babbling , growly beagle in this cast and yes you should be scratched,,,,,,,,,,and drop the broken record,,,

JMurphy · Post by **JMurphy** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 8:55 pm

Redtick:
Keep trying, you dont bother me a bit.I realize how truly pathetic you are.I think it is plain to see who has had to backtrack here(kinda like the Morning Star dog that you used to own and brag on so much or was she only gunshy and ran trash)As far as Babbling goes I would compare that to lying on a track;so far you are the only one who has been proven to be a liar.If I have lied about anything concerning you then lets reveal it to all.I Think I may have to start a thread revealing some of your more obvious and stupid lies.Just give me the word and I will be happy to.I really dont want to prove you to be any more of a pathetic lying loser than I already have .As far as my comments being offtopic I dont think they are at all.It alll pertains to your credibility or actually your lack of it as a houndsman.
You like to claim that we would not be able to post on other boards.I have never been kicked off a board in my life and how many different boards have you been kicked off of and how many times?You are simply a sack of trash.However I am working on a plan for you so you will at least have some decent dogs.I will let you know when it all comes together

Redtick · Post by **Redtick** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 9:13 am

Anyone can see all some folks who want to post on this thread about PKC Beagling is to launch personal attacks on me. They are ignorant of the issues, can not intellectually respond, and have no sence of decency. Anyone can hide behind a computer and call people liars. It is another thing to be able to do it in person. If you notice, some folks posts are alway directed at me. My posts are directed to the beagle community and are related to the topic. I think the owner of this board needs to address this problem. Would you publish this thread in your magazine?
I have had a lot of success in life because the right people know I don't lie, cheat, or steal. I have a lot of creditability in the hunting dog world and a lot of success. Obviously, others are jealous.
Now, back to the real issues on this topic. I noticed UKC has stated that they will have different titles for the different formats. That is a very good idea. If PKC needs to have 2 formats, then change the titles, have seperate Super Stakes programs, and have 2 separate World Championships. I would suggeest a clear distinction between the formats. In my humble opinion, one IS NOT as good as the other. I don't think both formats would survive in PKC, one hasn't already.

warddog · Post by **warddog** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:56 pm

Well ole Redtick, I been trying to keep outta this as I think that everyone is entitled to their opinion. You certainly have given yours the only thing is it's been the same opinion on the very same issue of two sets of rules but yet you put forth no opinion of what or how to correct anything. I've noticed in some of your post of how you kind of stick the Grand Nite Champion coonhounds out there as a measuring stick. Let me tell you I live in the middle of English country and personally know a lot of the top names around in the BIG hunts but yet I'd never heard of yours until I cam onto this beagle board. A couple of the names you should be aware of is Jim Ridge with the Briar Creek bloodlines and Paul Gibson is my neighbor. Do you know Paul Gibson, I believe he won the world championship with the last female to do so. Now with all that being said I've come to the meat of my post as you are always talking about your bloodlines that you've raised for years but when I go to your coonhound link and look at the bloodlines, the titles and the names on the titled dogs I see a lot of the TOP dogs of the English breed such as Clemon's, Bob's Columbo, Breshear's, Timberstar and Dickey's Ole Sandy blood. They tell me she could almost have been bred to a cocker spanial and produced a tree dog. Aren't you always saying or referencing the fact that in order for a hound to be a TRUE Champion they must have competed in a format where the meat is seen? I've studied the lineage of the hounds you promote on your web site and see just a few Lakeland hounds in the pedigrees. Of the ones I do see can you tell me how the title of Champion (BENCH CHAMPION) has anything to do with seeing the meat? In order for your dogs to be meat producers they would have to pack the title of Night Champion and Grand Night Champion. I'm sorry but I failed to see that attached to your dog's name but I did see it in nearly ALL the ones you promote and bred to. If you buy the best or breed to the best there is a possibility you may reap the best of what someone else has sewn. Looks to me like about the only meat your Champions have seen is in the doggie treat used to gain their interest when stacking them up! I'm not knocking breeding the best to the best but what I don't understand is when I check the pedigree I have a hard time even seeing that person's blood much past the grandparents.

Redtick · Post by **Redtick** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:18 pm

Wardog, I have known Jim and Paul a very long time and both are friends of mine. I own a Dual Grand Champion and 3 Nite Champions. I have owned lots of other Grand Nite Champions and Nite Champions. My friend Martin Clemons would have named Slam any name I wanted, so he could have been Lakeland's Super Slam if it was important to me. What is important is that he carrys the bloodlines I have promoted and more important, hunted for years. Both Slam and Little Bam are grandsons of the Timberstar Buddy dog I studded for years. The first Briar Creek dog to make the English Hall of Fame was a daughter of Buddy's. Jim didn't train her and Jim often has handlers hunt his dogs for him.
None of this has anything to do with PKC Beagling. If you want to talk coonhounds, click on the English board on http://www.prohound.com and I will talk English Coonhounds all day long! I will be glad to explain how my dogs are bred. I consider myself an accomplished breeder because I have bred one of the All Time leading English Coonhound reproducers in UKC's history. I hope to use the same techniques to produce some beagle reproducers.
As a dog breeder, that is why a potential PKC Beagle Super Stakes program is important to me. There may be some money to be won by breeding some good beagles. But, in my opinion, there needs to be 1 set of uniform rules for it to work.

JMurphy · Post by **JMurphy** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:41 pm

Dear Dave:
You poor pathetic fool.Before you go saying how I am not intellectual enough for you ,you might want to learn how to spell "sense "and " credibility".You are right I am posting directly to you and not to the beagle community.You are also correct that my posts are personal attacks on you.I mean them exactly that way.You have refused to answer my and many others questions even regarding PKC so this is where we are left.To address your other points.You obviously define success much different than I do.My idea about it is that you set a difficult goal and work hard to achieve it and if you do you can consider yourself successful.Your idea is to have someone else do the work and you end up with the rewards.Kinda like you buying your dogs already championed or marrying someone with money.You end up with the rewards without doing much work yourself.Do you see what I am saying here?
As far as hiding behind a computer;I dont think so .You go on and on about you are disabled (even though you are able enough to hunt 3 times a day)and I previously wouldnt have come up and said alot to you at a hunt because I wouldnt want people to think that I would pick on a disabled idiot.However since you have made that little comment I consider that an invitation and you can bet I will make it a point to seek you out at a hunt and tell you exactly what I think of you.
What success have you had in life.If you have had any it sure isnt because you dont lie.I have proven you a liar several times.As far as credibility in the dog world you dont have any.Mostly people just laugh at you.You keep bringing up the jealousy thing and thats not accurate either.Some days I am mad at your many stupid lies but most I just feel sorry for you.So far there hasnt been a day where I have been jealous of you.I dont know of anything you have achieved that I would be jealous of.If I was going to be jealous of someone it would be of people like RB Sester,Mel Faust,Paul Kormorney&Kenny Racine.They have achieved greatness as breeders and trialers in beagling.What have you done in beagling Dave?Their lines of dogs are successful in many different registries and formats and under the gun for alot of folks.Instead of jealousy I feel admiration for them because I realize they have made a serious committment to beagling to get to where they are today.
You have credibility in the dog world?From who?I know every beagler and every coonhound person I have talked to about you thinks that you are an idiot.You are dispised on almost every board you post on.Are you truly so dumb that you think that all those people are jealous of you..I find it interesting that you lump liars cheats and thieves in the same group.I feel the same way.I think that if someone is willing to lie than they are probably willing to cheat or steal.That might not be true in all cases but I would think it would be in a lot of them.So you can imagine what I think of you.
You lied about the judge on our PKC cast and Craig Tull being members of the same club.You also lied about being cheated on that cast.You werent cheated you were just beat. hows that for a start Dave?
On rabbithuntingonline you claimed the Star dog was a fine rabbithound but when it suited your purpose hear you said she was a gunshy trashrunner.Which is it Dave?Did you sell her because she had dew claws Dave or did you sell her because she was a gunshy trashrunner?Which is it.If it was because she had dew claws as you posted on one board then why buy her in the first place.She had dew claws when you bought her didnt she?
You said that there was nooone at the PKC rules meeting that had competed in a hound and hunter format.You said "you knew because you had asked" turns out there at least were 3 folks there who had competed in a hound and hunter format.
On Rabbithuntingonline Jan 27th ,2003you said that your beagles breeding was based on a strain that you and a buddy had raised since 1970.On here not very long ago you said you got back into beagles by starting to buy some females about 5 years ago.Which is it Dave either you have been breeding that strain since 1970 or you started buying dogs 5 years ago. Where is that mysterious strain of dogs.I thought it was funny at the time that you had this mysterious strain of dogs since 1970 that noone had ever heard of but you were only competing the hounds you had just bought.
I told you a while back the problem with being a lying sack of trash is that you have to remember the lies.Oh and just so you know I took the time to print a bunch of your lies in case you decided to delete them.How about it Dave would you like me to continue. What about the whole Dew claws deal.I bet Southern Beagles remembers that one.You really looked like an idiot on that one. You know the one where in one place you said none of your beagle pups were born with dew claws but in another post said "most" of your beagle pups were born without dew claws. Which is it Dave?You refuse to address any of my questions regarding PKC so I guess I will continue to show people what your true credibility really is.I look very forward to seeing you at a hunt soon.

J.Murphy/Murphy's Kennel
PS: How many boards have you been kicked off of Dave?

Redtick · Post by **Redtick** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:10 am

Another hate message that is a personal attack by JMurphy. If he attended many local hunts, he would know I have lots of friends. How long is the moderator and owner of this board going to allow him to spread his hate? It says, "Let's keep our discussions lively, useful, and above all, civil". I say Mr. Murphy's messages fail on all of those points.