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What is your opinion on who throws what traits in the pups or do you think it differs with every breeding. Some things I would like to hear about are , Hunt , Speed , Size ,Type of mouth , Use of Mouth , and any others you can think of
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Totally random!

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I have a grade female I bred to 3 different hounds. Each litter had a pup or two that looked and acted very similar to her. The best litter had 2 that looked like there sire
with his size and mouth(huge!). I had another female bred to Shooter and two pups looked like her and one like Shooter. They act like there momma and that ain't a bad thing.
I think it is best to get two dogs similar in many ways as to have a much higher percentage of what you want. JMO. You breed two hounds with big mouths and fast you have
a better chance of getting that. You breed a medium stud or female to a fast opposite and you will most likely get a mix of both. I am in the process of preparing for a second
breeding on one of my best females and by the second time I hope to be able to evaluate and know what she will accurately throw in her pups. The first litter is acting great at
6 months and showing lots of good things so far.

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I think is a 50/50. I wondering about this today. looking forward to some opinions.
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I think is a 50/50. I wondering about this today. looking forward to some opinions.
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The Gyp will put MOST of the traits into a pup. As with Horses all the Stud does is supply the "Pill". :!: The easiest traits that I belive is to add Foot Speed and Nose. Hunt is something that is learned not inherited along with handling and manners. The Deer, off Game , runners are all there you just have to introduce them at an early age and DISCOURAGE them from doing it again. I have a Female that is bread" TO HEAVEN and Back" and at a year old will only site chase ALL of her Grand parents and Great Grand Parents are Field Champions names that anyone will reconize. And I have another "Back Yard" bred gyp that is as good as you want. :roll:

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I agree with the speed somewhat. However, if hunt is taught why is every dog not a jump dog? I feel hunt is the most important thing to consider when breeding. JMO.
It is not a crap shoot if you line breed or selectively outcross hard hunting dogs with good noses. Some may vary in speed, but they have a MUCH better chance to be a top hound
if BOTH of there parents have A LOT of the traits you desire. If the stud is completely insignificant I have wasted a lot of money on breeding to a very good reproducer. I did not
take a crap female to him and expect him to throw in all the cards. I, IMO, will ALWAYS, take my chances on a good hard hunting female and a stud with the same characteristics.
I will also take my chances then linebreeding the best to the best to further increase my chances of producing quality hounds in every litter, not just one or two. You can breed to improve areas your hound may lack, but you won't fix that in one cross. You will have to monitor every pup and then only breed the best if possible to further solidify your traits
you like.

There are some guys who have done this for 25++ years and they will be able to tell you what you can expect out of a certain cross before they ever hit the ground. You can't get that
knowledge by breeding a hound every 3-5 years for replacements to your pack. You can get nice hounds that way, I will not say you can't, but some of these guys really know how
to breed hounds. NOT all of these high bred hounds will make it as there are no guarantee's, but I feel you greatly increase your percentage by knowing what you have. Thanks.

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i don't think hunt is taught. it is born into them. that's what I think anyhow what do I know..... ;)
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With hunt they're either born with it or they're not. Unfortunately alot aren't.

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I agree! Hunt is definitely a natural instinct to them. They either have it or they don't. A person can train a dog on where to hunt and how close or far from them they want em to hunt, but they can't give them the natural inclination to want to hunt. Believe me I've tried on a few hounds. I have on the other hand seen people train the hunt out of their dogs.
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My male dog is a 7.5 on speed. From what I've been told he has the same speed as his daddy and greagrand dad.

I know I'm no expert and I learn new things everyday. Most people in here will know more than I ever will but I believe brains are the hardest to breed for. Nose and brains cannot be taught. I believe huny can be taught, but that extreme hunt some dogs have that others won't is born instincts. I feel that if you breed for brains and you get them into the pups everything else will fall nto place. Just my .02 cents.
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RUNNING a young dog solo may help with hunt? Does it not?
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Joeyman wrote:RUNNING a young dog solo may help with hunt? Does it not?
Yea but can you make a dog hunt like you can teach it to sit, shake or roll over? I have found that you can make a dog do A LOT of things but you can not make it hunt.
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Solo makes or breaks them. They gotta rely on themselves to jump the rabbit. Helps out their check work and line control as well.
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The term "pre-potent" has to do with the ability of a hound to "stamp" their off-spring with their qualities at a very high percentage rate no matter what they are bred to.Either a male or female can be pre-potent although pre-potent studs are usually easier to identify due to the fact that they can produce a lot more off-spring from which to judge the results of their breedings.
Dogs that are pre-potent for their superior qualities are not COMMON but,if you are lucky enough to have one they are worth their weight in gold for your breeding program.
In most crosses I would say that "who throws what in a pup" ranges anywhere from 50%-50% in some crosses to the proverbial"crapshoot" someone else mentioned.Most litters will give you pups where some look like mom and some like dad and others like one of the grandparents or some other ancestor.Depending on how closely you linebreed you usually will get more consistancy in you litters towards the "target" ancestor that you are concentrating on and their looks and traits.
When using a "pre-potent" stud or dam the thing that you will have jump right out at you is how much the entire litter will resemble that parent.And the real proof of the pudding is that you will see the same type of results when that hound is bred to several other mates even when they have a disimilar pedigree/background.
JMHO but I would consider Dingus McCrae,Branko's Jack of all Trades and Maravic's Blue Ninja and Ranger Dan as pre-potent studs and females such as Branko's Close Call Girl,Branko's Conna and Greenbriar Branko's Tootsie as examples of pre-potent breeders.Go back over your older pedigrees and see what these hounds have reproduced through the years and when bred to many different mates.
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