politics of our sport that need to be addressed

[mike crabtree]

You see the same ones judging the finals at the ARHA trials because they didnt have a dog in that particular final.
The judges are rolled from whatever judges show up. It is the same ones over and over, because the same sorry people leave as soon as they get beat, and never stay to help get the hunt finished.
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As for the same people winning in ARHA that dont hold water in Va and NC. I have won my share, but it is because I run my dogs a lot, not because of who is judging. Whether I won last month or not if my dog deserves to win it should.

[TrlBustinBeagle]

I have won/placed numerous time in the Mid-West. Have won breeder and dam of the year honors so I know what it takes to FC out in Mid-West and it is not easy. But some of the judging at a few of the recent trials could've been better. I have no problem admitting when my dog ran bad or did great, so it is not well I should've placed today so the judging was bad. I completely didnt like what some of the things I was seeing so I went and got my license to judge. Not but one time have I been contacted to judge and that was at a derby. Aaron you say a club normally wont call a new judge because he has no experience, but you cant gain experience when your not given a chance to prove you know what your doing. I have judge a few derbies in years past. A buddy of mine that got his license at the same time of me emailed some of the mid-west clubs asking if they would consider him to judge a few hunts. Only one club gave him the time of day to get to know him. If clubs would allow new judges to judge with an older experienced judge maybe our association wouldnt hear so much about BUDDY judging going on cause the new judge wouldnt be known to many people. The Mid-West association is not the only association to have been known to have buddy judging going on. There is always some club in any format where judges are trying to help out their friends. All in all the Mid West is a fine groupo of houndsmen!!!

[johns03272008]

I am a licensed. Judge and I have judges 2 derbys and 0 license trials and that is my own fault I have been asked 3 or 4 times to judge and I have had to turn it down because the date! I have no problem seeing the same judges because in my opinion there is a reason they are being. Asked! Probably because they know what they are doing and know what a dog is! I wouod rather know who the judges are before I travel 4 hrs to a arha hunt and find out some dude that has T buddies with him that maybe I don't get along with is judging my pack! Just a opinion but if you don't like a group of guys or you feel some cheating is going on guess what DON'T GO! Stay at home and the rest of the 100 people will show up with our best and not complain just run the hounds the way it was meant to be FUN!!

[chapkosbeagles]

it is pretty cut and dry. if you took the seminare on judging and passed i think you are more than quilified to judge rather you or any other person says your fit to or not. if you want to determine if someone is quilified than start teaching the classes on judging. i just dont think it is fair for the club to pick its judges period. i think akc should pick them from the book or at least try to. not just call up the guy who has the most experience. i have seen judges that could never even judge my beagles as they are to slow to even cut them off.

as far as clubs calling around that should be part of running a club. i personaly have asked to judge trials so i could finish my aprentice ship and out of the several clubs i call the olny one that would even tell me i could have a shot was the large pack boys in CHERRYLAND and that trial was on a day i had to work. every other club shot me stright down. even if i could run circles around the out of shape old men. SO HOW IS THAT FOR CRAP MR OLD BLOOD.

[THALL]

We have a AKC midwest club here in Arkansas! Put up or shut up. I personally invite up to judge our trial next December, or this February if someone cancels. This will give you plenty of time to get prepared to judge. Judges are very hard to find. If you have dogs half as good as you say, you'll be a great judge.

Teddy Hall

[TrlBustinBeagle]

Mr. Hall if you are talking about me putting up or shutting up I have no problem judging, that is why I took the class. Please let me know if someone does back out. As for a good dog apparently I know what one is cause like I said I have acheived enough in the mid-west and you can look on our site and see that I have done so.

[chapkosbeagles]

he might have been talking about me i was waiting for that, but like i said this is not about me this is about our sport. i do not have the money to be driving to Arkansas to judge a trial but i would be more than happy to judge anywhere in michigan,northern indiana,ohio,but like i said it is not about me no one person can fix this porblum.

[THALL]

i was waiting for that, but like i said this is not about me this is about our sport. i do not have the money to be driving to kansas to judge a trial that is why i addressed this the way at which idid i would be more than happy to judge anywhere in michigan,but like i said it is not about me no one person can fix this most wont even admit something is wrong with this as they dont want to pee anyone off i really dont care

I think you should shut up about the Mid-West since you don't know crap about it! Bad Judges weed their self out.


trlbustin get me your info, and I'll get you scheduled to Judge. We are a young Mid-West club, and we want to try several different judges from different parts of the country.

[old blood beagles]

old blood beagles i am just a cave man who has never attended a trial in his life i wish i had what i call a hound all i have is these 16 inch pot lickers that might trip over a rabbit he or there. they run faster backwards than they do forward sound like you have some dogs bring them on up this way and i will introduce you to a real biscuit eater i might let you pet him if your dog can even keep up with him. but all aside THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ME OR MY HOUNDS ATTENDING THE TRIALS,BUT I SEE YOU ARE ONE OF THE BLIND THAT CANT SEE WHat is right infront of you. i hope you are not like this(kennel blind) in the kennel as i see they run hand and hand. old blood beagles the hardest thing for me to beat when i hit the trials ant the dogs it the stand:nod:


arron you make some great points, but anyone who takes the akc judges class should HAVE THE RIGHT TO JUDGE atleast untill he proves that he is incapable of doing so.
i have not attended many arha trials and have not taken that class for judging. i am just making a simple opservations from reading the mag. and serfing the web

I SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE JUDGING CHARACTER AS IF ONE WAS THE LORD HIM SELF. ALL THIS WITH OUT EVER GIVING THEM A CHANCE

Chapkosbeagles,
I did not get on here and slam you or anybody else and now you want to run your jaw to someone that you know nothing about. I asked you a few questions so you can back up what you are saying and you did not answer a single one. This is your chance to prove what you are saying. The only thing that you have shown is that your mouth overloads your AZZ! You might have the best backwards running, oversized, potlickers in the world, but that doesn't have a thing to do with the AKC Mid-West. You said that there has been buddy judgeing and I agree as this has happened in every format but when you say that I am kennel blind or anything like that you dont know SHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! as you dont know me. My hounds have been picked up from trials and should have and I have also placed several hounds and should have. I have only had one bad experience at a trial and I posted that. I did not post names or a club as I am not out to slander anyone. I also spoke to the judges and the man that was running the trial in private and voiced my concerns to them. Is the AKC perfect; the answer is no, but is any format? As for dropping hounds on the ground together, I will be out running for about 8 hours tomorrow so come on down and let me have the pleaser of petting your potlickers as I am sure of what mine can do!
You just got an invite to judge and you let your mouth overload you on that one and are backing out! Are you just an internet talker or are you going to do what you said?

Come on down and run some as I am sure we will have a great time and if you deside not to, have a merry christmas.

Duane

[chapkosbeagles]

i took the same test as every other guy the olny difference is i can run behind any hound in the country all day long. i would give you a half hour behind my worst hound and you would be looking for a log to sit on. i average about 10 miles in 60 mins. how often do you run? what you look like old, fat, slow ,what here you try to beliddle me when i would judge with the best you can find

old blood i did not think that it would be right to drag name of dogs ,judges, clubs, or handlers in this. dont think i cant open the better beagling and read names. hell there are guys judging hounds out of there very own stud dog.it is easy for someone to say come half way accross the country and you can judge let someone in a reasonable amount of distance tell me that i will take them up on it

[THALL]

i took the same test as every other guy the olny difference is i can run behind any hound in the country all day long. i would give you a half hour behind my worst hound and you would be looking for a log to sit on. i average about 10 miles in 60 mins. how often do you run? what you look like old, fat, slow ,what here you try to beliddle me when i would judge with the best you can find

old blood i did not think that it would be right to drag name of dogs ,judges, clubs, or handlers in this. dont think i cant open the better beagling and read names. hell there are guys judging hounds out of there very own stud dog.it is easy for someone to say come half way accross the country and you can judge let someone in a reasonable amount of distance tell me that i will take them up on it

You get paid to judge, that should take care ot your gas. I'll put you up and feed you good! I'll even pay your entry on those high powered hounds. I would love to see them hook up! We need guys that can run to judge! Shouldn't cost you much at all to come south.

[Aaron Bartlett]

Aaron you say a club normally wont call a new judge because he has no experience, but you cant gain experience when your not given a chance to prove you know what your doing.

No that is not what I said. I said until they have proven themselves. I probably didnt word is as I wanted to but what I meant was until folks have seen them judge and can form an opinion. I dont know your name and I wouldnt know you if you walked in the front door......how can you expect me to just call you out of the blue and ask you to judge just because your name is on some judges list. Your are correct about one thing when you said you cant gain experience when your not given a chance. That is why I recommended calling some clubs about judging a derby for them. Hell I would be glad to let a new guy judge one of our derbies......That way I wouldnt have to! The problem is that a derby isnt good enough for some judges!
For the record, I called two new judges(one I know personally and one that was recommended) just a few months ago and asked if they would be interested in judging at our spring trial and both declined.

if you took the seminare on judging and passed i think you are more than quilified to judge.

I hope you were joking! If not you have alot to learn!

[old blood beagles]

i took the same test as every other guy the olny difference is i can run behind any hound in the country all day long. i would give you a half hour behind my worst hound and you would be looking for a log to sit on. i average about 10 miles in 60 mins. how often do you run? what you look like old, fat, slow ,what here you try to beliddle me when i would judge with the best you can find

old blood i did not think that it would be right to drag name of dogs ,judges, clubs, or handlers in this. dont think i cant open the better beagling and read names. hell there are guys judging hounds out of there very own stud dog.it is easy for someone to say come half way accross the country and you can judge let someone in a reasonable amount of distance tell me that i will take them up on it

Chapkosbeagles, I am glad you took your test, I am glad you can run 10 miles in 60 mins, but if you dont know the rules of the format then none of that matters. I am glad you can read better beagling it might just teach you something as you have not proven a thing but running your jaw. I did not try to beliddle you with my post, you said give me a shot at judgeing and someone tried and you backed out. This has nothing to do with me.
You are the one that brought my name up first and started running your internet jaw and not posting facts, just hearsay. You say that one man can not make a difference in AKC, how would you know when you have not tried it!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you are so smart and know who is cheating and what is going on and you dont care as you posted put up the names of the hounds, clubs and judges and lets see what they and others that know them has to say.
Go ahead and tell me one FC and the total judges it took to make it a FC that did not deserve it?

[chapkosbeagles]

i was being smart,as far as the test. trust am more quilified than 80 percent of these guys out here. i cull and give away better hounds than some of the hounds that are finishing. it is bad when i can take a lightly started pup to the hunt and make it farther than a good seasoned hound. you cant tell me when he just started on a rabbit that he really did something awesom. i laughed all the way home it was a joke

i never said give me a shot dont put words in my mouth. OHH I HAVE PUT NAMES AND CLUBS ON HERE BEFORE AND IT REALLY HERT THE CLUB SINCE I HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE RESPECT NOT MUCH JUST A LITTLE. I THINK IT WS TEDD THAT WAS TRYING TO BELIDDLE ME AND NO I AM NOT GOING TO DIVE HALF WAY AROUND THE WORLD TO A TRIAL. YOU CAN TALK ALL YOU WANT ABOUT ME RUNNING MY JAWS BUT THESE ARE FACTS PRINTED RIGHT IN PLAIN SIGHT.

HELL I MEAN IF I DO GET A SHOT. CAN EVERYONE BRING THERE ACE PUPS ? AS LAURA MY GIRLFRIEND WAS THE BREEDER AND THAN I COULD JUDGE MY OWN HOUNDS THIS IS THE STUFF I AM TALKING ABOUT PLOITICES NO MORALS IT IS NOT ABOUT THE HOUNDS ANYMORE

[old blood beagles]

What facts are you talking about now. The only thing that I seen printed in black in white was the fact that you admitted of being a smart AZZ. You claim to be better then 80% of the judges out there and that you cull better hounds then what is finished? How full of SHT are you? You want to run your jaw about the AKC but you dont want to hurt anybody or clubs? Once again you are full of it!!!!!!!!!!!! Here is your time to put the names of hounds and judges on the board so "one man can make a difference"? Or do you just not have the BALLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Come on tell me who is cheating and what hounds they have cheated for?
I am sorry for you, as you think you are better than other houndsmen and how kennel blind you really are. You might want to keep your hounds hidden, for the rest of us only has dogs that get out of the kennel once or twice a year .

For all the rest of you that is reading this post and thinking about running in a MID-WEST trial, don't take this hearsay crap as what is happening; come and see a trial for yourself. The trials are a great place for friends and family to come out and see some great running hounds and have a good time.