politics of our sport that need to be addressed

[golden acres]

Chapko the post before is not my way of judging I am writing about.
First and foremost a judge
1 needs to be honest (with out this 2 and 3 do not matter)
2 a houndsman (experience in the field)
3 in good shape (if not have a partner)
4 and have a cast that does not have winers that is a person that believes he always has a winner


The biggest thing is handler needs to judge his dogs before he ever goes to a trial.

[chapkosbeagles]

another well thought post, but once again this has nothing to do with a handler it has to do with the judging and the system at witch they are chosen

[tom summers]

Derek here is the reason no clubs in Michigan ask you to judge. It is because of your behavior in the past that you have become confrontational at the trials. I am a member of Blue Water and Muskegon River and have judged countless times at Huron Valley until my accident in 03. I will give a I witness account to one of your incidents.
Blue Water 09 winners pack in the back field your male had been picked up I believe 8th or 9th and you became irrate and verbally abusing the judges Tony Eyer & Todd Blackburn. The AKC rep Bill Vandebogart was asked to get involved in the matter . Myself , Jay Scrader , Derek and Bill V. where having the conversation, Bill explained that if you continued to abuse the judge that you could be brought up on charges which could result in a fine and a suspension from trials. Dekeks replie was " You can't I do that I have a law degree and I will be you in court " Bill replied this can be done and is my suggestion that you calm down." Tony Eyer was aksed if he would like to press charges and Tony replied no. Derek it is these kind of actions that have hept you from judging not your hounds and these types of outburst take along time for people to forget.
Not to mention all the rants on the internet clubs do not want or need this type of publicity.

Tom Summers
Muskegon River & Blue Water beagle clubs

[Bunnyblaster]

Now that's interesting........and not really all that surprising.

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

BunnyBlaster, At times you say things i really agree with. My response is simple anytime humans are involed there are things questioned.Without the fact you dont trial then in my eyes your opinion holds little to no water to me. I live in the world that if i am done wrong after the fact i reserve the right to bitch, granted i would much rather do it to your face than on here.When i am in Competition mode lots of time is taken from my family as well as other things, I only show to win . Its pretty cool to hang out with my podgies and act up but overall i want the gold. Not asking for too much if ya got hounds that can compete at that level. Right?
I also believe people may get a check here and there that maybe was questionable, But overall Judges run there ass off for little money and less fame, I speak from experience as i judged from 89 to 03 so i feel i speak from a set of lips that have been there and done that. Maybe Chaps worded it wrong but he is right there are Pages full of judges but only a handful judge, Why is that? Why run all day for 50 bucks? Unless you compete. Make anymore sense now? Overall I have No problen with any format,I would just like to see some younger less experienced guys get a chance with a older judge, after all why take the test and never use the license ? Its Rabbit season anyhow so why is this even a issue?
But if you or anyone else live in Manzi Panzi Fairy world then so be it. It Happens More Than ya Think. As Far as Little Pack is Concerend Its as Consistant as the Judge and we mostly Know how that Goes. Nothing Like Checking a hound 50 Yards from the loss Its called a Check. I always wonder how far that bunny Jumped. Lets pull all the hounds in my check area to him, then reward him.Shew.But each his own.

[Aaron Bartlett]

Derek here is the reason no clubs in Michigan ask you to judge. It is because of your behavior in the past that you have become confrontational at the trials. I am a member of Blue Water and Muskegon River and have judged countless times at Huron Valley until my accident in 03. I will give a I witness account to one of your incidents.
Blue Water 09 winners pack in the back field your male had been picked up I believe 8th or 9th and you became irrate and verbally abusing the judges Tony Eyer & Todd Blackburn. The AKC rep Bill Vandebogart was asked to get involved in the matter . Myself , Jay Scrader , Derek and Bill V. where having the conversation, Bill explained that if you continued to abuse the judge that you could be brought up on charges which could result in a fine and a suspension from trials. Dekeks replie was " You can't I do that I have a law degree and I will be you in court " Bill replied this can be done and is my suggestion that you calm down." Tony Eyer was aksed if he would like to press charges and Tony replied no. Derek it is these kind of actions that have hept you from judging not your hounds and these types of outburst take along time for people to forget.
Not to mention all the rants on the internet clubs do not want or need this type of publicity.

Tom Summers
Muskegon River & Blue Water beagle clubs

Like ive always said....There is usually a reason some judges dont get used.

[Casey Harner]

Abshire is right, its rabbit season. All the BullS%^T will come out, when the gun barks!!


Chap, you should respect these judges who actually gets down and dirty to judge. I hope your not thinking that magazines and surfing the web is a better tool than actually having experience in the field in this format!??


Have a Merry Christmas.

[HTKENNELS]

The sport of beagleing is suffering for a no. of reasons. Politics is one of the biggest. How many of the old timers will run a hound today> One way to to know u have a problem is to ck. your entries in todays trials against them of recent yrs. and no. the economy is not the reason. A competitor will be there no matter the cost. I ran the Midwest for 20 yr. Judged for 10 and loved it. The new generation of Judges need to carry a gun in the brush for a couple od yr. then tell me my hound has NO SCORE. Let the hounds do the work and give them what they deserve and your FD. CH. will be able to circle a rabbit. Not being mean just know what is going on and not afraid to say so. My format the Mid-west needs to admit there is a problem and straighten it out.

[mybeagles]

Ive been judging for 10 years or so in the Mid-West and have never been paired with someone I thought was cheating or dishonest. Sure there have been differences of opinion on a dog, but in the end it has always worked itself out.

Ive been overseas with the military for 4 years so had a big break in judging. I came back and didnt know very many of the handlers, and none of the dogs. I found it interesting after judging two trials that one of my winning hounds earned her 3rd win and the other her 8th win. I had never seen these hounds run before, didn't know who their owners were, yet many other judges must have felt they were the best dogs when they judged them.

I dont always like the style of hound that gets promoted, but to be honest, its not up to me. I judge the hounds presented to me within the AKC rules and at the end of the day I go home with a clear concience that I picked what appeared to be the best ones that day. I exercise 5 days a week (military) but I still cant run 10 miles in 60 minutes and I have $100 saying you cant either (Chapko). Very very few people can, and Im willing to bet your not one of them.

I think many new guys to the trial world fail to realize the dedication that the consistent winners put into the sport. I have personally spoken to some of the best, and when they explain the the amount of hours they put in each week, the amount of dogs they go through, and the money they spend either on running pens, traveling to trials, stud fee's, pups, etc. Its really quite remarkable.

Just because you have the best hound you've ever had, OR, you really like the dog doesn't make him the best. Some of these guys have gone through 50 well bred pups to find one that really stands out. Then put 30+ hours a week on this dog for 2 solid years. YES, these dogs do win and place week after week, but its not because they are buddies with all the judges. It's because their dogs are the best for that format. Anyone who can't see that, either is a poor judge of tallent, kennel blind, jealous, or dishonest. I have never had a Field Champion. I choose to run a more conservative hound than what the Mid-west is promoting. I have dogs I think are very good, and I run dogs 4-5 days a week. When I first started attending trials I thought I was getting cheated. When I started judging I started to see why my dogs were not winning. Not because I was getting cheated, but because I ran a different style/speed of hound. I can either speed up my hounds, accept not winning very often, or stay home. I choose to do some judging, see what's out there, learn from the best, and enjoy the sport for the joy it gives me.

Just my thoughts,
Mybeagles

[chapkosbeagles]

TOM LET ME REMIND YOU MY HOUND WAS THE OLNY ONE RUNNING HE WAS A JOKE HE HAD A RABBIT ON HIS NOSE. YES I TOLD THE JUDGE THAT HE DIDENT KNOW A RABBIT DOG FROM HIS AZZ.

I ASLO SAID THAT ONCE THEY PICK HIM UP A NOTHER RABBIT WOULD NOT BE RAN. WAS IT ? LET ME ANSWER FOR YOU NO. IN FACT THE OTHER HOUNDS CAME OUT IN FRONT OF THE GALLERY BARKING DOWN THE TRAIL ON A GOST RABBIT I LOVE SEEING THAT

NOW I ADMIT I LOST MY TEMPER AND SAID A FEW WORDS THAT I LATER STOOD UP LIKE A MAN AND APPOIGIZED TO TONY AND RON HUNT THE DOGS THAT PLACED 1AND2 THAT DAY WERE OUT OF TONY DOG JENO IF I AM WRONG STAND ME CORRECTED

REGARDLESS I HAD THE BEST HOUND ON THE GROUND THAT DAY IN THAT CAST AND HE GOT SCREWED

TOM I NOW YOU DONT LIKE ME AND I KNOW YOU WON EVER ASKED ME TO JUDGE


PS. TOM IF YOUR CLUB IS SO GOOD WHY WONT BUELL LET YOU USE HIS GROUNDS FOR THE TRIAL ANY MORE I THINK IT IS BECAUSE HE SEEN SOMETHING CROOKED

[chapkosbeagles]

MY BEAGLES COME ON UP I WILL PUT YOU UP,and feed ya .WE CAN JOG IN THE MORNING THAN RUN DOGS ALL DAY MORE THAN 30 PLUS HOURS A WEEK I PUT 44 HOURS ON MY TRAILS PUP LAST WEEK AND RAN HER YESTERDAY 10 HOURS STRIGHT

BUT AS FAR AS WORKING OUT HERE IS A BOLD STATEMENT
I WILL EAT UP ANY MILITARY WORK OUT OR ANY OTHER WORK OUT YOU CAN PUT INFRONT OF ME. HAVE NOT BEEN BROKE YET AND BEEN PUSHED VERY VERY HARD
thought about the millitary right out of high school offered great money more than most, but my better half talked me out of it. she is still here 13 years strong dont know how she put up with me, but i think she loves me i think


I always enjoy reading your post as you are a very educated beagler,and good at wrighting about it. i think you are in it to better the breed and i admire that. i do NOT believe all the judges are crooked or buddy judge. i drew out with a good judge and just got beat my bitch just dident make the turns and hunny bee did see it for myself just got beat. there is nothing wrong with getting beat by a rabbit dog. it is just when the judge dose get ya that it hurts

[tom summers]

Derek this is the last post I will make on the subject.
1. I never said our club was "So Good" I gave the reason you were not asked to judge.
2. I have spoken to Buell on several occasions and visited him and he and I are still on very good terms and he holds no Grudge with the club either, these are his words.
3. In regards to the Winners that day I cannot tell you who did or did not place I walked out of the field before they had finished.
4. This discussion will do the clubs and judges and other participants NO GOOD because all trialers have thier own opinions and all of us will never agree completely all this does is showcase grown men arguing over dogs. I guess the only thing I can say is if you do not like the format , Judges , Clubs or anyother part of the trials then you do not have to show up and the rest will try do do our best to improve the sport that we love.
I will end by saying Good Luck to you and I hope you find a format that gives you happiness and success

Tom Summers

[Roy Swafford]

Well I was not going to post on this until the village idiot started bashing one of the best judges the midwest has to offer. Derek, Tony Eyer has forgot more about a hound then u will ever know and for u to get on this board and bash him shows what a classless person u are. I can only hope these awful politics keep u away because u have no business attending a trial of any kind and u have proven this in ever format u have ever attended.

[foxxy]

ol chapped a$$ sure like getting you all stired up
he is a good for a laugh
dont you know he has the fastest most hard hitting dog from coast to coast
and we all should be more like him chappy if you truely think that get out of you county and look at others (ds)
just look at his other post if you cant see he is sitting back lol something is wrong with ya

[Bunnyblaster]

BunnyBlaster, At times you say things i really agree with. My response is simple anytime humans are involed there are things questioned.Without the fact you dont trial then in my eyes your opinion holds little to no water to me. I live in the world that if i am done wrong after the fact i reserve the right to bitch, granted i would much rather do it to your face than on here.When i am in Competition mode lots of time is taken from my family as well as other things, I only show to win . Its pretty cool to hang out with my podgies and act up but overall i want the gold. Not asking for too much if ya got hounds that can compete at that level. Right?
I also believe people may get a check here and there that maybe was questionable, But overall Judges run there ass off for little money and less fame, I speak from experience as i judged from 89 to 03 so i feel i speak from a set of lips that have been there and done that. Maybe Chaps worded it wrong but he is right there are Pages full of judges but only a handful judge, Why is that? Why run all day for 50 bucks? Unless you compete. Make anymore sense now? Overall I have No problen with any format,I would just like to see some younger less experienced guys get a chance with a older judge, after all why take the test and never use the license ? Its Rabbit season anyhow so why is this even a issue?
But if you or anyone else live in Manzi Panzi Fairy world then so be it. It Happens More Than ya Think. As Far as Little Pack is Concerend Its as Consistant as the Judge and we mostly Know how that Goes. Nothing Like Checking a hound 50 Yards from the loss Its called a Check. I always wonder how far that bunny Jumped. Lets pull all the hounds in my check area to him, then reward him.Shew.But each his own.

Same here Maple, I like quite a bit of what you say on here but that has nothing to do with this. My opinion on trialing and judges is extremely weak because I have spent little to no time trialing........but my comments weren't about whether chap was right or wrong. It was about people that pee and moan about it but never do anything to make it any better. Are you telling me that it goes on enough that it's really that big of a problem and there is no one that can help stop it? My dad taught me growing up that if I didn't like the way something was that's fine but if I only complained and never made the effort to change it then I might just as well keep my mouth shut. Again, it's always easier to b!t@# about something than it is to take the time & effort to try to change it. It's like all the dad's I see that complain about how the coaches run any of my kids' teams but they never volunteer their time do they. Sorry if I get a little heated but it ticks me off. That's why I said if it's that important to you guys then why don't you get more involved?

I'll repeat this again, I don't care if chap is right or wrong, but do something about it if it's that much of a problem.