politics of our sport that need to be addressed

[Ohiohntr]

Frank...not sure you and I have a problem because I have never met you but thanks for appoligizing to Bryan (as much as he wants to be like me, he can't..lol). You asked me a question as to why I do not use you as a judge so I am answering you as honestly as possible. The same way I answered Chapko when he asked about why the same judges are used over and over.....

This is a quote from Shawn Fetty from a few weeks ago.....

"You and I saw each other fairly regularly after I was judging and competing more frequently. On one occasion you were an "issue" at our trial. You had a problem with Tonys judging and when I came out to the field to make sure you left, you told me how much you respected my judging and how I wouldnt let stuff like this go on. Well you were half drunk then so I didnt pay much attention to it."

I know on another occasion you tried to fist fight a guy at the steps of the NCOBC clubhouse after the trial....for all I know it might have been the same trial.

The bottom line is that I simply do not have to deal with it, and I have chosen not to......that is my right as a FTS. This much the same line of thinking when I have a judge that consistantly backs out on me...it is my right not to use them again. If someone would like to take the wheel and do a better job, so be it....the line is short and re-election is coming up.

I will be honest...I have heard you keep good dogs, and I know you do a lot of good work for the arha. However, I do not feel people should be trying to fight each other and harrass other judges at the trial or on the internet....no matter how bad you think you got the screw. I know sometimes in the past alcohol has been a big factor in the problems with NCOBC and that is one of the many reasons Shawn has left the scene and I am constantly trying to make the club better by making it more "family friendly". I am there as a representative of the club to get the best judges I can get and uphold the bi-laws of our club...nothing more, nothing less. Field Trialing and beagles in general are such a small part of my life that I really don't care but I have enough respect to not let a club fall on its face because I made an obligation to a group of guys to keep things going when I said I would do it.

Anyone who is following this thread should be able to see there is a common theme here. There is no reason a person should ever have to be "escourted from the field". Is beagling something we are trying to pass down?....Do we want our youngsters fighting and name calling in the field?.....Are we teaching houndsmanship by condoning such actions? I agree that emotions run high when you put a lot of time and money into these little 4 legged turd spreaders but at some point there has to be some self control. The internet is just another way for guys to gripe to a larger audience but hopefully new comers to the sport are seeing through this.

Take Care...

[Ron Conroe]

toldyouso & chappy

you guys should get together and run dogs, it sounds like you guys run the same style dogs, and maybe then you can have your own little world hunt, because you to are surely in a diffrent wold then us.
LET YOUR DOGS DO THE TALKING BOYS NOT YOUR FINGERS.

[Ohiohntr]

Oh i did pick the winners at a trial the other day and was not even there. I ask eric who was judging and who was still on the ground and this was only in the first series just lucky i guess.

Ok, now I take offense to that if you are talking about the AKC Arkansas trial and I most certainly call BS.....Really!!!....you picked the 15" male myself and Johnny Hanks put the win on who I don't know from Adam and still don't. All I can tell you about the guy is he has a real nice hound and possibly one of the best I have seen go. Come on now....that would be a stretch cause I am guessing you have no clue about that dog from MO....heck the locals didn't even hardly know him and he booked after the trial before I got a chance to tell him how nice the hound really is. Funny...I learned after the trial that the dog has only been in two AKC trials and won them both (that crap never happens to me).

13" females - domination, dont think anyone there would question that one...I think Xena showed hands down why she has 17 wins.
13" males - nobody except Steve Mullen and his wife even knew Sammy was going to show up...they must have called you and told you he was riding along to insure his MW points lead.
15" females - Bella put on a show, I have no gripes...she is a nice hound and I am tired of running against her ...and I hope Scott makes her a house dog soon.

This shows me I am done with this thread and you have no idea what you are talking about....why bother....what a joke

Thanks for keeping me entertained today though....our train is running late at work and I didn't have much to do. In parting...I will refer back to my post Aaron Bartlet quoted because I think your last statement about picking the winners summed it up and sure made my day.

Ohiohntr wrote:
"Some of you guys (2 in particular) need to think....then not type....because you really have no idea what you are talking about and end up looking really silly in the end."

[jleerockit]

I have really tried to stay out of these contraversial threads for a really long time now because im not sure that they are healthy for our sport or benefit anyone or any organization. However, i just cant do it this time. It really bothers me when someone gets on here and wants to bash an organization and run down its members and hounds and then admit their own ignorance of the situation all in the same statement by stating that they dont even attend trials. There are a few points that id like to make and then i will not post again on this thread because i refuse to get caught up in this back and forth stuff.

Firstly, I have been trialing for several years now and have been trialing in the Midwest Association for exactly 2 years now. (When I say that I have been trialing I mean there are only a few trials that Ive missed in 2 years). For those two years I have been trialing a 15" male that is first of all a true black and tan(not the most liked color in the world), has a pedigree that most wouldnt be able to find even one dog that they would recognize, is not out of any popular stud dog from the midwest, and i have yet to judge the first midwest trial. However, i have had pretty good success with this dog. He has 2 licensed wins, numerous places( i think about 10 or more), and won the 2010 Midwest runoff. Believe me, im not stating these accomplishments to brag on my dog in any way but i want you guys to realize that the statements that have been made about having to be a judge or having to be in a certain clique are simply ignorant. Just to give you an example of this lets just take the results from this past weekend:

15" males
1st Cosmo Scott Braggs (to my knowledge has never judged a trial)
2nd Switch WFO (i think they might have judged 3 or 4 trials combined between the 2 of em combined)
3rd Ryder Denny Dugan (judges alot and can run with anyone or any pack trust me ive saw it several times)
4th Moon Eddie Taylor (to my knowledge has never judged a trial)
NBQ Reggie Roy Noe (i think he judges bout once a year)

Looking at these results, these guys have judged some but i would in no way say that this prompts the conclusion that judges are just placing each others hounds!

Secondly, I find it really ridiculous that someone wants to get on here and criticize a hound or hounds that win or place consistantly. My opinion is if there are 30 or so dogs at a trial for a certain class and there are 8 dogs that make winners pack because they are the best hounds on that particular day then most likely those same 8 dogs should be the best 8 dogs at the next trial. However, no one ever wants to give the hound, the handler, or the breeder credit for winning or placing consistantly. Instead, you internet beaglers that dont even attend trials want to call it cheating or a clique. Have you ever thought that maybe the guy running the dog has put in his time, or that maybe the guy actually knows what it takes to win, or that maybe the guy actually knows his dog well enough to know what his dog needs and when he needs it, or maybe the guy actually sacrifices time away from his family and friends and work to get the dog ready, or that maybe the guy dont set at home every time the weather is bad and still runs his dogs no matter the conditions, or that maybe the breeder of the dog actually put some thought into the cross years before it ever made it to a trial, or that lastly maybe he just has something thats not that commonly found, a dog that has what it takes to win consistantly. Im sure you have probably thought of all of these things but it is much easier to just sit at home, pick up a magazine, and then log on and tell "that guy" everything that he is doin wrong and then try to deminish any credit that he or his hound has ever earned. I found it pretty ironic last night that while i was sacrifing time away from home at midnight, sitting on a strip job, freezing to death, listening to one dog run that one of your guys' signature says "winners train while losers complain". LOL

Lastly, I also find it ridiculous that you guys that have never even attempted to host, secretary, or work a trial want to criticize the ones that do, which also requires alot of sacrifice from family, work, and not to mention will cut into running time. The most frustrating thing that i have ever tried to do is to convince judges to actually judge at a trial. You guys really ought to try it sometime instead of sitting at home bashing the ones that actually put alot of work into trying to make a trial go as smooth as possible. As i said earlier in this post, this will be my only post on this thread so you guys can feel free to start trying to pick me apart and make excuses for why you dont trial or why you dont judge or why you dont actually get off of the computer, put the magazine down and actually try to help make things better for everyone instead of trying to tear down anyone, any association, or any hounds. So with all of that being said, in the famous words of Joe Clark from a similar thread about this time last year when all you guys have plenty of time because its too cold, too windy, or too much snow outside for ya, "YOU JUST CANT FIX STUPID"!!

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Thanks Aaron for calling me and telling me about this post I just wasted about an hour of my life.

[Greg Wells]

Running a club & judging field trials can only be done by people that truely love & respect the sport of beagling. People will always critisize you as long as you are involved no matter how honest or how well you run the club or judge a trial in your own mind. I have been involved in the AKC Mid-West as a judge & club member & officer from 1994-2008. I have seen it grow from 5 clubs to now 19 or 20. I believe we try to promote a very good rabbit dog & the judging is as good as it has ever been as a whole. Clubs have to get the best judges they can or the entries will fall & they will lose money. It is very hard to get every judge that you want, but the ones that get called on often are called on for a reason; honesty, knowledge & the ability & desire to see the action. Some guys just aren't cut out for judging because they lack one of these traits. We should really appreciate judges & club officers that have been involved for years . They are the sole reason our association has survived & thrived for over 20 years now. For a dog to gain it's FC title in the Mid-West, it must place under at least a dozen different judges because the entries aren't as high as they used to be due to the number of licensed trials in the Mid-West now & believe me , the competition is as strong if not stronger than it has ever been. I know this from experience & actually being there & seeing the hounds in action; not from getting all of my information & forming an opinion by reading the results in a magazine. I will defend the Mid-West everytime, but I also will speak up when I see areas of improvement. My advice to club members & judges is to not get offended when you see people critisizing your club or judging performance. If it it said out of pure jealousy & disappoinment over losing, then don't worry about it; in your heart you know you were doing the right thing. Get educated opinions about judges & the rule book & make improvments if needed, but don't let some of these things you see discourage you to the point of quiting. There are a lot of people that appreciate your efforts & realize without you , there would be no place to have a quality, unbiased place to compete with your hounds. I feel truely blessed to have been involved with the AKC Mid-West for this long & hope it continues to be the organization in my opinion that recognizes & awards only the best true , quality hunting beagles.

[Casey Harner]

On a positive note , my first AKC Midwest Trial was a success, did I win you ask?? Heck no, my dog got picked up in 20 minutes, first cast, but boys that cast had three or four of the dogs that placed 1-NBQ. I had a positive experience at the trial, my dog and myself got our butts handed to us and it was a real fun day to be listening to dogs. I got two watch two amazing judges work tirelessly through the southern Indiana coal mine briars. Brad and Bryan Johnson, were truly amazing guys. After the series was over I asked them what my dog did wrong, they were straight forward and very honest with me. Told me to bring him back again when he is fully mature, I think he was (1.5 years old at the time) and told me what to do with him til then, which was solo his butt off. I stayed and watch a lot of the other series and I got to see some good dog work. My first Midwest trial was a success because I learned a lot and got to see some impressive dogs like Chubby Checkers, Mr. Wilson, J-Dell, and many others. Matt Glomski told me that the winners pack was balls to the walls running the whole dang time. He said it was the best winners pack he has ever seen. I should have stayed I guess.

Never met Denny Dugan, but I sure hope so someday, heard he's a great judge that runs like a mix between cheetah and a antelope, judges honestly and is respect by many others. I can meet him and check him off my "beaglers to meet list"


Have a good Christmas Everyone!

[chapkosbeagles]

i drew out under brad HE HAS VERY GOOD HUSTEL AND IS NOT SCARED TO SEE THE HOUNDS WORK he left my bitch down a little longer than i would of as i would have picked her up sooner as she was being ruff and wild.

[chapkosbeagles]

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WHY DOSE EVERYONE KEEP AVOIDING MY ? AND CHANGING THE SUBJECT. why don't akc pick the judges or just one person instead of a club vote and why arn't these judges different from year to year. when everyone votes on a judge they are just trying to PICK THE ONE THAT SUITS THERE DOG THE BEST


I WAS NOT TRYING TO CALL ANY ONE CLUB OR ANY JUDGES NAME INTO THIS ANY TRIAL I RELATED TO WAS A WHILE AGO AND THE NAME WAS NOT MENTIONED.

YOU GUYS MUST FEEL GUILITY ABOUT IT. BECAUSE YOU SURE NEW WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH OUT EVEN TALKING ABOUT IT.


KEEP CHEATING THE YOUNG HOUNDSMAN AND WATCH THIS SPORT GROW YOU OLD BOYS DONT LIVE FOREVER

[Buckeye Bob]

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WHY DOSE EVERYONE KEEP AVOIDING MY ? AND CHANGING THE SUBJECT. why don't akc pick the judges or just one person instead of a club vote and why arn't these judges different from year to year. when everyone votes on a judge they are just trying to PICK THE ONE THAT SUITS THERE DOG THE BEST


I WAS NOT TRYING TO CALL ANY ONE CLUB OR ANY JUDGES NAME INTO THIS ANY TRIAL I RELATED TO WAS A WHILE AGO AND THE NAME WAS NOT MENTIONED.

YOU GUYS MUST FEEL GUILITY ABOUT IT. BECAUSE YOU SURE NEW WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH OUT EVEN TALKING ABOUT IT.


KEEP CHEATING THE YOUNG HOUNDSMAN AND WATCH THIS SPORT GROW YOU OLD BOYS DONT LIVE FOREVER

good god, give it a rest son.

[THALL]

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WHY DOSE EVERYONE KEEP AVOIDING MY ? AND CHANGING THE SUBJECT. why don't akc pick the judges or just one person instead of a club vote and why arn't these judges different from year to year. when everyone votes on a judge they are just trying to PICK THE ONE THAT SUITS THERE DOG THE BEST


I WAS NOT TRYING TO CALL ANY ONE CLUB OR ANY JUDGES NAME INTO THIS ANY TRIAL I RELATED TO WAS A WHILE AGO AND THE NAME WAS NOT MENTIONED.

YOU GUYS MUST FEEL GUILITY ABOUT IT. BECAUSE YOU SURE NEW WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH OUT EVEN TALKING ABOUT IT.


KEEP CHEATING THE YOUNG HOUNDSMAN AND WATCH THIS SPORT GROW YOU OLD BOYS DONT LIVE FOREVER

Get on the phone and call AKC! Mel Steward or Jim Odle will listen to your complain. Tell them your tired of judges cheating you, and how you have the fastest, best dogs in the world. They will let you know that YOU are paying a judge for his opinion, and they don't have the time or manpower to schedule thousands of judges for hundreds of trials. I'm a new judge. I'm not crying because people won't let me judge. I'm on the phone talking to people all over the country. I will judge my 6th trial in January. It's Southern Large pack, not my format, but the guys respect my opinion on a dog and my honesty. I've even went and judged a SP and UGBF trial to get experience. Go to trials, marshall, get to know people, and ask questions, don't bash people on the net. I'm done with this thread. I promise if I ever come up North, I'll look you up. I'd love to see your hounds go! I love to watch blowhards make excuses

[2500 HD]

I promise if I ever come up North, I'll look you up. I'd love to see your hounds go! I love to watch blowhards make excuses

Now that's funny right there, I don't care you are, THAT'S FUNNY!!!!!!!!

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Up to the point you said and i quote" Old Fellas Dont Live Forever" Your right i have Buried several True Houndsmen Friends Over the years and I really Think that was one of the most Cruelest things i could ever heard come from Another Mans Mouth.Not cool Chaps Not cool at all. If you live long enuff, you will be there someday to.If your Lucky.

[Joeyman]

since i'm known as the keyboard beagler by some. here's what i'd do


I'd set up a 60ac pen. put video cameras at every angle that you can think of just like at a casino. I'd judge the entire cast from my computer sitting on my couch. I'd have an intercom system tell you what dog to pick up and when the start/stop time was. But hey thats just me.

I wouldn't even have to keep in shape and run that mile in 5minutes.

your's truely (keyboardbeagler)

[chapkosbeagles]