How's The New Measuring System Goin In Lil Pack

[raccoon crk kennel]

i say if they want this rule to stand they need to send out their reps every so often to difrant regions and have official measuring done by the same guy,give a official card and that dog cant be contested anymore because he was measured by a rep and not 1 of the 100 defrant breed inspecters there is in all these clubs. im glad im no breed inspecter, their going to make themselves alot of enomys and they dont get paid to do the measuring,no benifet what so ever of doing it and making theirselves enomys.we pay the judges to judge so i believe if were putting this kinda responcabilty on these inspectors they should get paid to do it.

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Little Pack might not go anywhere but do not be so sure. I am sure the man who had 20 years at his plant thought that to but never seen 21. Never say never or only u can be a the fool and u think a few people can not make the difference the right people can make a huge difference. And u state now the little guy may have a chance come on u r better then that never be little yourself if u want people to look at you in a different light. If u feel like this and category yourself as a little person how do u expect other people to see u.

Well Frank maybe your right but i doubt it. Too many love to run it and there sure as hell is more ruff dogs on the ground than line running machines that are saturating the board for sale. I dont trial much anymore now and again i get a wild hare but not really. Eiether way i could really give a flip less. Little Pack is ok by me they have implemented new rules and now there gonna enforce em, Get in or Get out. Seems pretty black and White in my eyes. If they were concerned with you or mines opinion of there company i guess i did not recieve the memo...... Mcdonalds didnt tell me they were bringing back the Mcrib ., They did it anyway so i just ate it. Maybe the Pkc is your final resting place and someone my let you be in charge and make a decision thats great bro , Rock on It really means much of nothing to me in the big Picture.

[toldyouso]

I do not care about being in charge of nothing i just want things to be done right and i guess i am just built different in the way just because someone tells me to run into a burning house i am not going until they tell me why and then I need to know in my own mind if it makes sense. I am just that way and as long as any organization is willing to hold a open mind i am all for that and u should also be for that organization. And to want u said about them changing rules to enforce them REALLY!!!!! Explain to be how they r enfocing anything diferent then the way it was. I am just curious. Except taking a mans 8 dollars for nothing that is the least bit OFFICIAL!!!!! Poor choice of words look up the word official and tell me the meaning and i promise it does not say official is only official sometimes when we see fit. I do not understand your beef with me I put my Butt on the line for the fellow beagler to try and make it better for all. I put alot of time and my own money into putting on outstanding hunts. And in case u had not noticed did very well in Little Pack so if u think I am just someone trying to stir the pot ask yourself what i had to gain Oh yea nothing. It was never about me it was always about US the beagler period. Can i gt a AMEN LOL>

[warddog]

Don't trial beagles and never have but sure like to read all the posts about doing so, in case I get a wild hair. I don't understand all the arguing over so many things as the rules are the rules and they are just as the word of law. You must read and apply each and every word, no more and no less as there were probably reasons why the rules were drafted by the founders using the wording they contain. People seemingly want to read in or leave out words that make a difference. These things are just like a contract, if you don't have it in writting you ain't got it but if it is in writting it is the gospel.

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Na Frank ur putting your time in and are trying to prove a point to arha. You as well as i know you want to be a part of the process, thats what i dont get. If you want to better the world for us all then why not start your own org? I just remember when the arha was god in your format eyes now they are the devil. What are they? Once again we dont hold any controling interest in this monster. I aint got a beef with you or anyone else, i just fill like i been on a grateful dead head concert and the party or topics never change. ......Good luck with Pkc .

[toldyouso]

People who have been involved as long as i have know that the way it is is not the way it has always been. And trying to make the world a better place i work at that everyday but u can not fix them who do not wish to fix themselves and this is what i see. Wheather you believe this or not. Most people will let u fix it for them as long as they dont have no risk involved. This is true in everyday life. I hear so many people talk about u r so lucky Luck has nothing to do with it it comes from hard work and taking chances. I bet there were all kinds of people that thought the man who created the toothpic was a dumbass but just imagine all the dumbasses that buy toothpics.

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Now we can talk i been there too since 89 and ur right it aint the way it used to be, but niether are the Chicago Bulls since the 90s. Like i was told about working saturdays I fought it tooth and nail. My Boss said jimmie mcdonalds thought breafast was a bad ideal till they started selling it.Whatca gonna say? But the way i am one of those dumasses that loves a good tooth pick.

[Buckeye Blues]

I dont patricipate in any form of arha trials.....yet, but look at all the registries and all their formats. Entries seem to be down across the board. PKC may be up, but they are still in the infancy stage and just taking off. There may be a few people getting fed up with their formats and going and trying others, but I think its the economy for the most part.

Now, in case you are losing entries because of this new rule, why do you think this is? Its because the people who knew they were running oversized dogs have decided not to lose entry fees for those big dogs. So there ya go. Enough people bitched about oversized dogs (yet never wanted to contest these dogs at the trials because they didnt want to lose entry fees in the future from these handlers and make enemies.) that arha decided to enforce the breed standard. Look where it got you. Earlier hours? Delayed start times? Lost entries? Paying $8.00 for a measurement card that can be contested? Maybe you should have let well enough alone.

The American Rabbit Hound Association. Where any old person can become a breed inspector and deem a dog who's ancestry is not clearly known a beagle, yet is worried about a true AKC registered beagle being a tad on the wrong side of 15"in the name of keeping the breed standard and bettering the breed. Where, there is a format for dogs to champion in that have a running style not consistant with the breed standard of staying on the line and working the check from the inside out.

As far as I'm concerened lp should let any old dog that shows interest in following a rabbit track. Would be kinda funny to watch some kids mutt beat a hof world champion.

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Guess i am different than most i really really like the Midwest Gundog Assc. But i have no problem at All with arha thats were i weaned my teeth from the start, been lucky enuff to win a few and make a few. I know nothing about the Ukc at all and judged the first Pkc trial in Evansville Indiana mostly by myself and all day long at that time the owner was there and he paid me well , but we run arha rules. The arha has produced some solid judges that have influnced every format that we all run. The measuring thing is a pain but the majority of the ones whining now where the ones THEN. Its the nature of the beast you wanted it ya got it.
And one other thing ask anyone thats ever placed or won the world there is that one moment that you fill like a Rockstar. It may not be the best but we sure have had alot of fun since 89. I am not a paid actor and these comments are mine from my experiance with it..

[Ohiohntr]

Like i was told about working saturdays I fought it tooth and nail. My Boss said jimmie mcdonalds thought breafast was a bad ideal till they started selling it.Whatca gonna say?

Hate to say it but man I was glad the rice dealership in Lexington works Saturday nights...they got me fixed right up with and overpriced unmatched tire last fall. Guess that is why bosses are bosses and I am still sitting in my office till 8pm tonight...Somebody above me thought it was a good idea, I still haven't figured out this stroke of brilliance yet. My best guess is because my boss gets plenty of sleep and time to think about destroying my home life by only working 8hrs and being home by 3pm, but I could be wrong.

By the way...the inventor of the toothpick wasn't the genius...IMO, the one who started flavoring them is. Just got to be careful on the flavors, garlic toothpics problably ain't going to sell well.

Just in case y'all didn't pick up on that...Change from the top can be good, but not all change will be what people like. If the fellow at the head of flavoring loves garlic, you can bet you tail the shelves will have them for the two other people who thought it was a good idea.

Here is another random thought crossing my pee brain as I read through this thread that means absolutely nothing to me....Don't put new rims on a car with a knock in the engine. Better put your money and effort into what is going to get you further down the road first.

[ray s]

It's totally in the hands of the beaglers. Del Morgan has very little control whether he knows it or not!
ARHA became big because it was accepted big by the beaglers not, because Evert Morgan said it would.
"Del and company can change the flavor of original Coke but, it may only be temporary."

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Kelly u remind me of mark twain with ur wonderful and sometimes humor filled message. The arha ain't broke and it ain't knocking let's put on some new tires and wheels ck the oil and hit the road.Peace out I am the manager but gotta go paint walls in the new crib-I didn't want.so really who is the boss?

[tiny timber]

garyd The little world only had that many entries because of where it was held. I went to the little world two years in Indiana. Ohio had it and showed how a big hunt should be run. I know at least five guys that didn't go because of where it was. I'm from Michigan so I have no benefit from saying this. Maybe the economy has something to do with things. Our hunt on Jan. 7th had 40 dogs.

[CGS KENNEL SHAWN]

Guys I have followed this post and many others like it on the subject of size of dogs and number of enteries at club hunts being big problems. I have never had a dog measured at a hunt and will run with whatever a man puts down that is just my competive nature. The number of enteries have been going down at a steady pace for a few years now but my thoughts are in the area that I am from is that most of it is due to number of clubs in or around the area and the clubs not working together to schedlue hunts around each other. I have run club hunts with the open class totals being over a 100 and around 20 champions. Judging with flash lights to get the hunts over because then no one wanted to come back the next day. When the numbers were the highest was when the clubs were the fewest in a given area. i am not wanting to start a big he said she said but it is just thoughts of a lp beagler. As to the measuring of the dogs I don't have a problem with it because it happens in every other format that I know of or have heard of and people will measure the dogs as to the way they think is best. To each their own but if I were to give an opionion on measuring in a nature stance it would be to use a lazer pointed to the wall and the dogs would be led under if the light broke dog out if not dog in. I would like to look at that then it would take out the human error and the only thing we would have left to blame is how my dog walked and not how somebody else screwed me or let his buddy through with a dog. I prefer lp and plan to be a part of lp as long as I can and have no comments on other formats because I don't run in them but that's just me. LP BEAGLER

[raccoon crk kennel]

Guys I have followed this post and many others like it on the subject of size of dogs and number of enteries at club hunts being big problems. I have never had a dog measured at a hunt and will run with whatever a man puts down that is just my competive nature. The number of enteries have been going down at a steady pace for a few years now but my thoughts are in the area that I am from is that most of it is due to number of clubs in or around the area and the clubs not working together to schedlue hunts around each other. I have run club hunts with the open class totals being over a 100 and around 20 champions. Judging with flash lights to get the hunts over because then no one wanted to come back the next day. When the numbers were the highest was when the clubs were the fewest in a given area. i am not wanting to start a big he said she said but it is just thoughts of a lp beagler. As to the measuring of the dogs I don't have a problem with it because it happens in every other format that I know of or have heard of and people will measure the dogs as to the way they think is best. To each their own but if I were to give an opionion on measuring in a nature stance it would be to use a lazer pointed to the wall and the dogs would be led under if the light broke dog out if not dog in. I would like to look at that then it would take out the human error and the only thing we would have left to blame is how my dog walked and not how somebody else screwed me or let his buddy through with a dog. I prefer lp and plan to be a part of lp as long as I can and have no comments on other formats because I don't run in them but that's just me. LP BEAGLER

i think your on to something to make the measuring more acurate without human error!