If it fits in a shoebox (tail and all) with the lid closed = 13"
If it fits in a bootbox (tail and all) with the lid closed = 15"
Bring the dog in the sized box of choice at entry (with air holes of course), open the lid a little bit to prove a hound is actually in there...whala, done. Just kidding of course, sort of
I like the laser idea but there could be some serious issues with hounds like mine that do more "dragging" than walking. Also, long haired dogs could be at a disadvantage. I guess my point is....nothin will ever be "perfect". Unless of course we could get one of those mamogram machines to sqeezee the dog and print out a report on its size but that is getting pretty high-tec.
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guys i am kinda a know one in this but i personally talked to fred at the little world and he said. measure dogs first so now one has to pay if there dog is not allowed to run. and any measuring stand was ok to use as long as it didnt have a solid bar. thats just what i know fred told me. so thats how we are going to do it at PARK CITY little park club.
mw7881 wrote:guys i am kinda a know one in this but i personally talked to fred at the little world and he said. measure dogs first so now one has to pay if there dog is not allowed to run. and any measuring stand was ok to use as long as it didnt have a solid bar. thats just what i know fred told me. so thats how we are going to do it at PARK CITY little park club.
well i sure wish "fred" would send out a memo to all the clubs cause as of here in eastern ky the clubs ive been to and the ppl ive talked to at other clubs says there is only one stand approved by one supplyer and clubs are colecting money b4 measuring and if your dog is measured out you loose your entry fee.if this is the case then they really need to clear these two things up!
like i said that was just what i was told. and that is what our club is going by. but i agree i just wish everyone was on the same page. that would clear everything up.
crap, I'd rather risk the entry fee than show up another 30-45 minutes earlier to get measured and then do paperwork before the early-assed deadlines. So all you borderline dog owners, please get the permanent card and let my 13-14.25 inch dogs sail through the pre-measurements and still make deadline.
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barnold1 wrote:crap, I'd rather risk the entry fee than show up another 30-45 minutes earlier to get measured and then do paperwork before the early-assed deadlines. So all you borderline dog owners, please get the permanent card and let my 13-14.25 inch dogs sail through the pre-measurements and still make deadline.
just think if you had another 1/4th inch on your 14.25 hound you could be borderline cause the mesuring has been 3/4 of an inch variances on the same dogs!
raccoon crk kennel wrote:
just think if you had another 1/4th inch on your 14.25 hound you could be borderline cause the mesuring has been 3/4 of an inch variances on the same dogs!
That's the problem with it. Not that people are trying to sneak oversized dogs through. If a dog is measured at one hunt at 14 1/2", the next hunt at 14 3/4", then you drive 6 hours to a hunt and someone measures it 15 1/4". You've spent hundreds of dollars in gas, time off work, hotels, etc. thinking you were hauling a 14 1/2" dog across the country to have someone who likes little dogs measure your dog half-way between the neck and ears. It's not just a $12 entry fee sometimes. If you get a card, a dog is honestly measured under, then another inspector measures your dog over after you invest hundreds upon hundreds of dollars, what are your options? Variations in how inspectors can pull a measurement off a dog is way to complicated to be uniform.
raccoon crk kennel wrote:
just think if you had another 1/4th inch on your 14.25 hound you could be borderline cause the mesuring has been 3/4 of an inch variances on the same dogs!
That's the problem with it. Not that people are trying to sneak oversized dogs through. If a dog is measured at one hunt at 14 1/2", the next hunt at 14 3/4", then you drive 6 hours to a hunt and someone measures it 15 1/4". You've spent hundreds of dollars in gas, time off work, hotels, etc. thinking you were hauling a 14 1/2" dog across the country to have someone who likes little dogs measure your dog half-way between the neck and ears. It's not just a $12 entry fee sometimes. If you get a card, a dog is honestly measured under, then another inspector measures your dog over after you invest hundreds upon hundreds of dollars, what are your options? Variations in how inspectors can pull a measurement off a dog is way to complicated to be uniform.
finaly someone else knows what im saying and what is truelly going on! everyone measures defrant and cant even back up their own measurement cause they get something else the next min, or you go to the next trial and they drop the hammer on his head. i dont see any way to take the human error out of this. i believe a person outta keep all their mesurements on the same dog on file then when theres enough vareance start sending them in to nkc and showing them whats happening in the field. if everyone would do this maybe they would figure out some way to take out human error or to correct this rule.
was it ever really that bigger problem anyhow? ive been to several clubs and b4 this rule hit you never heard anyone say,"well if that dog wasnt 15.5 he wouldnt hads a chance" and rairly and i mean rairly did you see someone contest the size at the stake,and most hunts in the end its a 13.5 in hound standing on the table with the first place trophy! i guiss if there was ppl at hunts having problems with over size hounds they must not of had the testicular fortitude to contest them at the stake they complained to nkc and del. my dogs are not over and ive never ran dogs i know was over but i have two thats 14.5 and thats the new borderline,thats scary because you follow the rules yet liable to get kicked out of hunt after judge measures from the top of their heads and youve lost your entry fee,gas money and waiste of time.
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tiny timber wrote:garyd The little world only had that many entries because of where it was held. I went to the little world two years in Indiana. Ohio had it and showed how a big hunt should be run. I know at least five guys that didn't go because of where it was. I'm from Michigan so I have no benefit from saying this. Maybe the economy has something to do with things. Our hunt on Jan. 7th had 40 dogs.
I fill sorta like thats a valid point, even though most of the coal mines in indiana are public years of trialing have definetly took there toll as new people usally pressure them every year. Only so much to go around so to say. Raabbits used to be under every blade of grass now reports are not the best .Whos fault is that? Not the hoosiers its everyone that goes up and lays in the mines , i am guilty as well as others i just love to run on flat ground and its always been that way.
Ohio has put on some great hunts, Franks club did a great job the year we were at the ol school house and we walked away a winner. Indiana owes us all this if not for the kentucky and ohio boys they could not run a major hunt plain and simple, i cant judge anymore but have run my miles and never regretted it. Lets just play by the rules and smile the whole way.
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Maple valley kennels I AGREE 100 percent Ohio and Kentucky have always carried the load in all organizations look at clubs and dogs that r registered in these two states not to mention how many of them have been put on the top in all organizations. Look wheather you win the nationals at ukc or the world in little pack or u own a akc international field champion u have something to be proud of and my hats off to all. This is a great sport with great people its just that some of the people running some of these organizations have very thin skin. Take what people say like a man and if u cant then do like my DAD always said take it out back and when its done leave it there. Now that was the good old days and u old coon hunters and fox hunters know what i am talking about. LOL. As RON WHITE would say pussies. haahahahaha lol lol lol
Matt Glomski wrote:I personally think falling numbers has alot to do with all the different formats and options that are out there. When I moved to Indiana in 1997 the only thing that seemed to be around was little pack. 70-80 dog club hunts was the norm. Now days it is not uncommon for 4 or 5 formats to be holding hunts all on the same day all less than 100-150 miles from my house, and there be 20-30 dogs at every hunt. More and more people are not format blind. They are trying other formats to see how their dogs stack up. And I personally believe that a good dog can compete in any format. Times have changed and more and more people are not interested in a one format style dog. My advice to everyone with rabbit dogs is to branch out. Take your best to different formats. We all have our favorite formats i know i have mine, and some dogs excel in certain formats. Have fun and don't let a format own you.
I think this is a great point. All of the formats most likely won't be around forever, either. In the end, the ones that the most people like will make it and others won't. In Ohio, numbers in UKC and ARHA LP have been headed down for a while. I hate to see this because LP is my favorite. But, unless ARHA and the EBoard become a little more in tune with participants I am afraid it will fail. I am not sure they even care, but I sure do.
As Matt says, we are seeing that a good dog can compete in almost any format, so people sure have a lot of choices.
Fred went into great detail in the May Newsletter about how dog were to be measured it is supposed to go to all clubs..You do your paper work take it to Breed Inspector he measures your dog puts size and his name gives you paper you reg.as you always did..Go to NKC site and it says an adjustable measuring stand with the part touching the hound serrated(saw tooth) so any stand that meets these spec should work...We held our hunt 2 wks ago no big deal..
As i understand it any measuring stand with a serated edge can be used and all dogs will be measured directly behind the withers if a breed inspector is doing any other way he is wrong. but i still dont like the way it is being handled its gonna slow up the big hunts i think and i was told that dogs should be measured before you pay your entry fees and if not your money will be given back to you.And being a former little pack judge(to old fat and to many marlboro lites ) i say thank god for them kentucky and ohio boys they have bailed me out of several hunts that i was master of hounds at
LOL Mark. I hear ya the too old, too fat and too many cigerettes even the light ones have put many of us on thew side lines cheerleading! I used to compitition hunt the coonhpunds to but I had to stop when it turned into WORK. That's a four letter word I'm allergic to now days.
