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[Bad Luck Kennels]

What club do you have and run ?

Thanks

[rabbitearl]

Southeastern beagle club of nc.We do tcp trials

[Bad Luck Kennels]

Southeastern beagle club of nc.We do tcp trials

Sorry but i don`t know what tcp trials are . Is that the 2 pack couples ?

[rabbitearl]

yes

[T LEE]

Hi Earl

I was just wondering why the guys didn't want to go with an AKC SPO format??

With the SPO format a dog can achieve Field Champion status. There may be some type of title for 2 couple pack but the group of 4 can't all become Field Champions. What happens if one of the 4 die off. Is the title null and void by adding a new dog to the pack???

Not trying to run down the format but just questions that come to mind.

Thanks

Troy

[rabbitearl]

Troy I know down east beagle club has spo and others as well.We just like the two couple pack trials better.Its hard to put 4 dogs together to run at the same speed.We are not in AKC yet But the tcp federation.They were looking a tcp club and AKC too on this side of 95 that will do tcp trial.I hear that there was another club in NC SOUTHSIDE that was voted in too the same day and two more club that did not make it.There looking clubs but not just anybody can get in..Most of the clubs are further west.Now I believe your dog get a title call.Master hound in AKC.The federation you can have as many trials you want but no points.You just have a chance to go to the nal when you win.Its more like we already are doing but dogs have to be reg and judge on akc rules.The guys that are doing these kind of trials don t care one bit about a FC.You could take any 4 Fc out there and put them in this trial for the first time together.They want even come close to winning.They want to see 4 dogs that a person has train and get down and run the rabbit.It is something to behold to have 4 dogs cross a path within that blanket.Alot of people just like me cannot do it.It hard.I don t know but I hear that tcp is the fastest growing format out there.I see why.In all the trials I do.I like this the best one.To me it looks not only the 4 dogs running the rabbit but the person behind them dogs too.He or she has done a lot of work to put them 4 dogs together.You have to have.That Eye.

Now not saying these dogs are the best to go rabbit hunt with or any other format out there that has the best to hunt with.But these kind of dogs get lock on one.Its very hard for Mr rabbit to lose them.What I have notice about these trials is when someone that done lots of these trial lost a rabbit.They will say.he out smarted my dogs.Not the smelling.you don t come up with that.Why.The next pack or the pack befoe you just run the crap out that rabbit.You take them 4 dogs back home and see whats wrong.what dog it throwing it away.Yall,Two Couple Pack.give it a try.Its your 4 dogs only.Now show everybody how to run him.Thanks Troy

[T LEE]

Earl , I'm wishing you guys the best of luck . Will you be posting the winning packs on the beagle board??

Names of owner's and bloodlines would be great. This would give other guys and myself an idea of the speed /type of dogs needed to place.

[rabbitearl]

Thanks Troy,I know its not your style of dog but you re welcome to come an fellowship anythime.Mostly what you will see winning is what I say.Mark carder style of dogs.I know its hard to understand but a person that can put 4 dogs with that speed an get lock down on a rabbit.It want be long the rabbit coming back.I really like what Mark said one time.Sometimes you have to slow down to run fast.So much of that is so true.thanks yall for the ?

[Bad Luck Kennels]

Thanks for some answers. I don`t think they are any close to me. Thanks for the info.

[fasttrackpa]

Earl , I'm wishing you guys the best of luck . Will you be posting the winning packs on the beagle board??

Names of owner's and bloodlines would be great. This would give other guys and myself an idea of the speed /type of dogs needed to place.

TLEE in my limited experience, It doesn't really take any particular type of hound to do well at the TCP format. You are going against a clock as well as the rule book, so If you can put 4 hounds together that run without dropping the rabbit you can do well. No matter what speed they run. The title you earn is master hunter (MH) and is after the hounds name instead of in front. It is actually a pretty cool thing to go for after hounds are finished. You are getting score when at least 3 of the 4 hounds are opening on the line and the few I have been to I have seen packs dropped for all of the same faults they get picked up for in SPO. If you have a pack of mouthy hounds that do not progress the line PICKED UP, If you have hounds constantly over running, skirting PICKED UP, the whole point is, you get 15 or 20 minutes to run. If you are constantly checking you are not going to be scored. You do not want any down time when you are on your clock and the packs with the most running time win. I ran 4 of my FC in a pack at Berkshire Beagle Club last summer and placed 2nd out of 18 packs entered and missed 1st place by seconds on the clock. These are not slow hounds we were running and some packs were running hare. At that particular trial we saw every style of beagle there is.

[T LEE]

"It doesn't really take any particular type of hound to do well at the TCP format"


I beg to differ on that one fasttrackpa . Several local rabbit pens have put on non sanctioned TCP events. The "winners" were of Very conservative bloodlines. One guy that has won several of these in our area runs the Tiny Bull bloodline. I ran with him after hearing him talk of seldom ever having a check. I wasn't allowed to take any dogs. We watched his run. From the time they hit the track it was non-stop barking . They followed every inch of rabbit track. After 20 mins. of "running" ....we Walked to where they were . They ran the same speed that we walked. They covered maybe 200 yards in the 20 minutes. No need for shock collars as we could have reached down and placed them under our arms as they continued to run the rabbit. He told me that he couldn't stand Slow dogs and his pack was Med-Speed.

I feel most guys that have dogs that push the rabbit will have a hard time competing in this event. A pack that never shuts up and running check free (but covering a short distance) is hard to beat in 15 minutes. I consider myself a savvy guy when it comes to bloodlines and Types of running styles. Posting of the winning bloodlines will tell me alot. fasttackpa , maybe the dogs are alot quicker running this format in PA. Just for fun and chance to prove me wrong.....if the first 5 placing packs that Earl post have bloodlines of Branko , Patch , Northway , Sock it to Me , T-Rex or Speedy Sport I'll buy you a steak dinner. If it's more conservitive lines...You buy mine and I'll take it medium well.

[fasttrackpa]

T LEE Brother, you need to come North some time...(You are guaranteed a steak dinner). It is a shame if the judges aren't using the rulebook and just scoring for mouth, but speed of the pack should have no bearing, as long as they can stay on the rabbit. Break downs and bobbles kill your time. This is the pack I placed with in the one TCP hunt test I entered (plus a couple of pups).
http://youtu.be/lFJ_DFnnRPs

[rabbitearl]

That true.Anykind of speed.As lond as they turn on the rabbit.But them 4 dog has to be in that blanket.I ve seen dogs that never lost the rabbit but did not place.They werenot together.Maybe a car length apart.One or two dogs were a little to fast.Akc really wants to see different dogs at the frount.Now as far as the clock goes.Just the 15 run is the only thing you see.I ask Akc about speed and it don t matter.But in the 12 years that I ve been doing tcp.I ve seen just a few fast packs win.I am going to tell you why too.They got on a good rabbit.one that done very little turns.thats another thing about this trial.Getting on a good rabbit.The time you draw out to run plays a part to.

[T LEE]

T LEE Brother, you need to come North some time...(You are guaranteed a steak dinner). It is a shame if the judges aren't using the rulebook and just scoring for mouth, but speed of the pack should have no bearing, as long as they can stay on the rabbit. Break downs and bobbles kill your time. This is the pack I placed with in the one TCP hunt test I entered (plus a couple of pups).
http://youtu.be/lFJ_DFnnRPs

I would sure like to hit a few trials in PA. I've been to Sandy Creek , NY to a Large Pack on Hare trial. I enjoyed it. I watched the link. You have the same problem that I have. They are strung out too far for the style of dogs that you would be running against in this area. Mine too , one of mine may drive out of a check so hard that it's a good 15 seconds before the pack can get back with the dog. The guy that I told you about that's winning in this format has 4 dogs that stay within an area as big as a full size Chevy truck hood at All times. Their speed is a walking mans pace and it's hard to tell when a check happens and the track is recoved. Remember the "blanket" that Earl talks about. That' s why we would never win. You would never get cold waiting for our dogs to make a circle. I can't say the same for the other style and It's not my cup of tea. Many guys down here enjoy that type of dog. More power to them and I wish them the best of luck with their format. The problem I have with it is when I hear "Any style or speed can compete". That may be true but Not any style or speed can win. You can put lip stick on a Pig but it's still a Pig. I call it like I see it. I've gave the scenario before but Ill do it again. We are running a rabbit pen so the rabbit is likley to circle alot sooner. Here goes.

A) This group of 4 runs in an area the size of a truck hood from each other the entire race. They bark on every inch of rabbit track at a walking mans pace. They never shut up in the 15 min. time frame. Maybe they cover 200 yards total and "Mite " show you the rabbit once if it happens to circle back quick.

B) This group of 4 is driving the rabbit hard for 15 mins. and uses almost the entire area of the rabbit pen. The judge has seen the rabbit 3 times already. The pack is no where near as close on line as the other group. They have had 5 short checks but recoverd them quick. The judge feels this group reaches in check area alot more than Group A.

Group A wins every time. I would much rather own group B.

[rabbitearl]

Troy,The next trial I have,If you come,I ll going to get you to eat so much
BBQ hog.You will not be able to keep up with them TCP.